I would go ahead and test the ammonia to see what you get after the system has flooded and drained a couple times after you added the ammonia.
You could start yourself a thread all of your own to discuss your system or even a group.
Hi Lena. I've done a bit of experimenting with our 60 gallon tanks with Clear Ammonia, which is a 10% solution. I find that 5 - 10 ml usually gets me to about 5 ppm ammonia. I'm interested in seeing what 1/2 a cup does in yours! Could be exciting. My vote is it is fine to continue to post what you see in here - this is a topic on Cycling, after all and your experience could be very insightful.
I highly recommend that you get some Maxicrop liquid seaweed and use about a cup of that as well. Then add some plants soon. The Maxicrop adds some nice micronutrients to your system, and helps the plants get established so by the time you are cycled you have a healthy bio-filter in place for your fish.
Keep in mind that if the ammonia goes way up past 8 ppm, it may actually hinder the process and start to stink.
Yep that is the benefit of fishless cycling
I'll hopefully be cycling my first system soon so this thread is really helpful.
One method of fishless cycling I've read about and plan to try uses fish feed as the ammonia source - just drop it into the empty tank and it produces the ammonia as it decays. Anyone used this method?
I am trying to understand the bacteria a bit more. For some time I have been brewing compost tea with molasses and worm tea. I even bought a microscope to verify that the results.
Results of 1/4 cup molasses in a 5 gal bucket brewed for over 24 hours with 4 air stones.
Molasses raises the number of bacteria, but I am wondering if it is the kind of bacteria we want. I guess I want to learn more about the two types of bacteria that are beneficial to our tanks for the conversions of nitrites.
Here's an update on my fishless cycle:
I had to drain the water 2x to get back the ammonia to a starting under 2 ppm. Then I added 1 tsp of ACE janitorial grade ammonia with 10% ammonia hydroxide. this got my ammonia count to 2.0ppm. I then added about 2 1/2 cups of fish water (water from our other fish tank), and 1 1/2 tsp ammonia until I started to see Nitrates. This took only 4 days. Right now here are my readings:
Am I now ready to add fish and plants or do I need to get the Nitrates up higher? We don't have the fish yet, so maybe I can keep adding the fish water until I get some. I was thinking about putting in a few seeds to see if they start to germinate.
Thanks for any comments.
You want your nitrite to go down before you subject fish to the system. You might keep adding some fish water or small amounts of ammonia to be sure your bacteria don't starve but now you don't want much ammonia cause you want the bacteria that take care of the nitrite to get a move on and ammonia inhibits them.
Once you can dose your ammonia to 1 ppm and then have both ammonia and nitrite get down to 0 within 24 hours you are good and ready to add fish.
As to the plants, go ahead add plants, you have nitrates so there is food for the plants in there.
Wow, in just 4 days you have a nitrite reading of 2ppm? Fantastic! This looks like a great method for fishless cycling.You had an ideal PH for cycling, but may i ask what was you temp like? You could be fully cycled in as little as 24 hours! The moment your nitrites give zero reading you could add fish,although to ensure a strong bacterial colony and more guaranteed conditions for your fish, it may be a good idea to re-dose with ammonia and allow to fall to 0 reading for a few more days as suggested by TC.