Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T10:15:33ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbirhttps://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772172244?profile=RESIZE_48X48&width=48&height=48&crop=1%3A1https://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/group/feeding/forum/topic/listForContributor?groupUrl=feeding&user=075zlaigqgpkm&feed=yes&xn_auth=nogrowing brine shrimp for feedingtag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-12-15:4778851:Topic:5367172013-12-15T16:00:53.219ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
I'm interested in starting to grow brine shrimps. I've searched the Internet a lot about these but I keep getting different information. Does someone on here know how to grow them to give me tips? Starting from eggs to adults. I know how to make the hatchery already. But how many salt should I put in? And can you really use uniodized salt instead?
I'm interested in starting to grow brine shrimps. I've searched the Internet a lot about these but I keep getting different information. Does someone on here know how to grow them to give me tips? Starting from eggs to adults. I know how to make the hatchery already. But how many salt should I put in? And can you really use uniodized salt instead? "The Future of Aquafeeds"tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-28:4778851:Topic:3966412012-09-28T15:51:30.742ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
<p>Click below for an interesting report from NOAA on fish food, dated Dec. 2011:</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/aquaculture/supplemental_pages/19_future_of_aquafeeds.html" target="_blank">The Future of Aquafeeds</a></p>
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<p>Excerpt from NOAA's website:</p>
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<p>"The final report was subject to and incorporates public comment. It was written by scientists at NOAA, USDA, USFWS, and academia.</p>
<p><br></br>Select Key Findings of the Report:</p>
<p><br></br> 1. Fish…</p>
<p>Click below for an interesting report from NOAA on fish food, dated Dec. 2011:</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/aquaculture/supplemental_pages/19_future_of_aquafeeds.html" target="_blank">The Future of Aquafeeds</a></p>
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<p>Excerpt from NOAA's website:</p>
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<p>"The final report was subject to and incorporates public comment. It was written by scientists at NOAA, USDA, USFWS, and academia.</p>
<p><br/>Select Key Findings of the Report:</p>
<p><br/> 1. Fish meal and fish oil are not nutritionally required for farmed fish to grow meaning that even carnivorous fish can be fed diets containing no fish-based ingredients.<br/>Aquaculture is among the most efficient ways to produce high quality animal protein and for human consumption.</p>
<p><br/> 2. The net environmental effects of the production and use of alternate feeds should be considered.<br/>Some options include recovery and utilization of fisheries and terrestrial animal processing waste, the by-products of biofuel production, and numerous crops currently used for terrestrial animal production.</p>
<p><br/> 3. Solutions need to be cost-effective.</p>
<p>Change already is occurring in the feed industry. As fish meal and fish oil prices rise, the feed industry is developing and using other sources of protein and fat.</p>
<p><br/> 4. It really comes down to a couple of key nutrients.<br/>The demand for long chain omega 3-fatty acids for both direct human consumption and feed ingredients is likely to increase beyond the amounts available from marine resources. Fish processing trimmings and marine algae production are two viable options to produce these long chain omega-3 fatty acids."<br/><br/></p>
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<p></p> Sustainability Overview of Fisheries Used for Fishmeal, Fishoil Releasedtag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-06-27:4778851:Topic:3560062012-06-27T14:13:17.377ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
<p>from The Fish Site Newsletter, June 26, 2012:</p>
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<p>"Sustainable Fisheries Partnership (SFP) has released the annual sustainability overview of fisheries used for fishmeal and fish oil." Read more at:</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.thefishsite.com/fishnews/17478/sustainability-overview-of-fisheries-used-for-fishmeal-fishoil-released">http://www.thefishsite.com/fishnews/17478/sustainability-overview-of-fisheries-used-for-fishmeal-fishoil-released</a></p>
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<p>I don't…</p>
<p>from The Fish Site Newsletter, June 26, 2012:</p>
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<p>"Sustainable Fisheries Partnership (SFP) has released the annual sustainability overview of fisheries used for fishmeal and fish oil." Read more at:</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.thefishsite.com/fishnews/17478/sustainability-overview-of-fisheries-used-for-fishmeal-fishoil-released">http://www.thefishsite.com/fishnews/17478/sustainability-overview-of-fisheries-used-for-fishmeal-fishoil-released</a></p>
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<p>I don't know much about SFP or this overview process. Any insights from forum members would be much appreciated.</p> Tilapia feed recipetag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-16:4778851:Topic:3067992012-03-16T13:38:18.133ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
<blockquote>Would like to work on developing a Tilapia feed recipe. It would consist of several possible component categories. 1. Animal or bug Protein, fish products, BSF 2. Grains, Corn, Soy, Rice, carbs. 3. Greens like lettuce, Alfalfa, Duckweed or Moringa plant and other plant materials 4. Fruits? don't hear too much about this but why not Banana or other fruits? 5. Spices or flavorings. 6. Vitamins, maybe not as necessary with the above well balanced diet? 7. Preservatives other…</blockquote>
<blockquote>Would like to work on developing a Tilapia feed recipe. It would consist of several possible component categories. 1. Animal or bug Protein, fish products, BSF 2. Grains, Corn, Soy, Rice, carbs. 3. Greens like lettuce, Alfalfa, Duckweed or Moringa plant and other plant materials 4. Fruits? don't hear too much about this but why not Banana or other fruits? 5. Spices or flavorings. 6. Vitamins, maybe not as necessary with the above well balanced diet? 7. Preservatives other necessary additives. Would just like to nail it down a bit. There are many variables, depending on available supplies. Primarily might need to dry (solar), and grind into a even mixture. Also to follow through and discuss different ways to process into feedable form, pellets or pieces. A lot of discussion on various aspects, but lets do it and come up with a generic recipe. I think if we knew what went into many of the pellets we buy the recipe would be much less intimidating to put together. Many people do not have access to prepared feed or finances available. Thanks!! and hope to hear your inputs.</blockquote> How To Address Newcomerstag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-16:4778851:Topic:3068412012-03-16T03:57:13.687ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
<p>When you first hear about aquaponics the two reactions are Eww it has fish poo, or when can I build my </p>
<p>system! The first time you hear about duckweed and BSFL there are two reactions Eww... or can I start now?! What we typically get around once a week on the community is the second reaction of alternative feed. From what I've read (correct me if I'm wrong) doing that is hard and requires either trail and error, or a lot of research (which slows down the process). What newcomers, and…</p>
<p>When you first hear about aquaponics the two reactions are Eww it has fish poo, or when can I build my </p>
<p>system! The first time you hear about duckweed and BSFL there are two reactions Eww... or can I start now?! What we typically get around once a week on the community is the second reaction of alternative feed. From what I've read (correct me if I'm wrong) doing that is hard and requires either trail and error, or a lot of research (which slows down the process). What newcomers, and I, got was a muddled answer (no offence). This leaves people confused and hesitant to go to the next phase, or start a backyard system. This seems like a bad situation, because we need more data and a good answer to give. So, what advice can we give to people when we have to give them the Soldier Fly and Duckweed<img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/> talk?</p> alternatives to fish meal: industry newstag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-11:4778851:Topic:2918492012-02-11T12:45:47.068ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
<p><span>I recommend a recent article from TheFishSite.com, an aquaculture industry website:</span></p>
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<p><span>"Research on Alternative Raw Feed Materials"</span></p>
<p><span>(<a href="http://www.thefishsite.com/articles/1290/research-on-alternative-raw-feed-materials"><span>http://www.thefishsite.com/articles/1290/research-on-alternative-raw-feed-materials</span></a>) </span></p>
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<p><span>As someone who, like many here, doesn't come to aquaponics from the aquaculture…</span></p>
<p><span>I recommend a recent article from TheFishSite.com, an aquaculture industry website:</span></p>
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<p><span>"Research on Alternative Raw Feed Materials"</span></p>
<p><span>(<a href="http://www.thefishsite.com/articles/1290/research-on-alternative-raw-feed-materials"><span>http://www.thefishsite.com/articles/1290/research-on-alternative-raw-feed-materials</span></a>) </span></p>
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<p><span>As someone who, like many here, doesn't come to aquaponics from the aquaculture industry, I find it interesting to know what's going on with feed from the industry perspective. Seems like motivated small aquaponics operators can directly produce at least some of their own alternatives (duckweed, worms, BSFL, etc.), but for larger scale operations, perhaps that’s not practical. And if fishmeal production needs to be minimized for environmental reasons, then what happens in the commercial fish feed industry is very important.</span></p>
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<p><span>Plus, the industry has more financial resources to conduct research, and some of the info they put out can be useful to us. : )</span></p>
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<p><span>One thing I found curious was that the article mentions soy, insects, worms, farm animal by-products, etc., but there's no specific mention of black soldier fly, which is so prominent in aquaponics circles.</span></p>
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<p><span>The article is attributed to TheFishSite.com only; no individual author is listed. </span></p>
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<p><span>Another recent article from the same source went into some more detail about one substitute, soy:</span></p>
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<p><span>"Substitutes for Fishmeal: Soybean Meal" </span></p>
<p><span>(<a href="http://www.thefishsite.com/articles/1289/substitutes-for-fishmeal-soybean-meal"><span>http://www.thefishsite.com/articles/1289/substitutes-for-fishmeal-soybean-meal</span></a>)</span></p>
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<p><span>Would love to hear anyone’s thoughts on any of this.</span></p>
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<p><span>PS: I previously posted these in the Organic/Natural Fish Feed group, but was probably wrong to post the full text of the articles; and the topic probably fits this group better.</span></p> Sprouted Barley?tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-09-23:4778851:Topic:2230742011-09-23T17:45:20.949ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
<p>Check out this article:</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.maximumyield.com/article_sh_db.php?articleID=741&yearVar=2011&issueVar=September&featureVar=true">http://www.maximumyield.com/article_sh_db.php?articleID=741&yearVar=2011&issueVar=September&featureVar=true</a></p>
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<p>You will see it boasts 40% protein with 90% efficiency when used as livestock fodder, however I had a hard time verifying that snippet of data. If it is true it could potentially have…</p>
<p>Check out this article:</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.maximumyield.com/article_sh_db.php?articleID=741&yearVar=2011&issueVar=September&featureVar=true">http://www.maximumyield.com/article_sh_db.php?articleID=741&yearVar=2011&issueVar=September&featureVar=true</a></p>
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<p>You will see it boasts 40% protein with 90% efficiency when used as livestock fodder, however I had a hard time verifying that snippet of data. If it is true it could potentially have huge implications for us aquapons.</p>
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<p>If you were able to sprout barley in a standard nursery flat, more or less as described in the article, run it through the blender, roots and all, again as described and freeze in to cubes or pellets. Voila, high nutrition feed , grown with our precious fish water, for pennies! Especially for those omnivorous varieties we're growing out.</p>
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<p>Someone help me out in finding the veracity of the assertion, I already have an email into the editor of the magazine, and any input on if I'm onto something would be appreciated!</p>
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<p>Thanks all!</p>
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<p>d </p> High-quality natural feeds: not made primarily from wheat, corn or soybean!tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-08-27:4778851:Topic:1975122011-08-27T15:57:34.289ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
<p>I've been on the hunt for a more natural and complete source of packaged fish food in order to cultivate healthier plants with fewer mineral deficiencies. Here is what I've found so far:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.miraclekoifood.com/home.html">http://www.miraclekoifood.com/home.html</a></p>
<p>More expensive, but made from all-natural ingredients, mainly bugs, that fish would actually be eating in their natural habitats! Only available in 1-lb quantities.</p>
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<p>I've been on the hunt for a more natural and complete source of packaged fish food in order to cultivate healthier plants with fewer mineral deficiencies. Here is what I've found so far:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.miraclekoifood.com/home.html">http://www.miraclekoifood.com/home.html</a></p>
<p>More expensive, but made from all-natural ingredients, mainly bugs, that fish would actually be eating in their natural habitats! Only available in 1-lb quantities.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=21820">http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=21820</a></p>
<p>A little cheaper and available in larger volumes; more like your typical fish food, but with better ingredients.</p>
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<p>I'm going to try out the Foster and Smith feed and see how it goes.</p> Algae Culturetag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-08-06:4778851:Topic:1716562011-08-06T18:00:21.844ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
<p>Here you go Harold.</p>
<p>An Algae culture topic.</p>
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<blockquote><p>So I'm looking at Spirulina. Its easy enough to grow and its a 99.9% complete food. The methods and inputs aren't costly or complicated and it runs on Urine(welcome news for TC I'm sure), sunlight, oxygen, and at 10.3 and over PH, it is germ free. This is the last key, freeing AP to finally become self sustaining. As hobbyist we can supplement with worms, larvae, food scraps etc, but to answer the question of…</p>
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<p>Here you go Harold.</p>
<p>An Algae culture topic.</p>
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<blockquote><p>So I'm looking at Spirulina. Its easy enough to grow and its a 99.9% complete food. The methods and inputs aren't costly or complicated and it runs on Urine(welcome news for TC I'm sure), sunlight, oxygen, and at 10.3 and over PH, it is germ free. This is the last key, freeing AP to finally become self sustaining. As hobbyist we can supplement with worms, larvae, food scraps etc, but to answer the question of human sustainability we really need to get more serious, don't you agree?</p>
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<p>Kobus I know you have been experimenting with this for some time now, if you'd like, design a simple model, I sure we can persuade Sylvia to market it for AP use. We have to start somewhere, how about here?</p>
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<p><br/> So I've done a bit of looking into this topic but haven't had much time to really get into it. A wider range pH test method is needed than what we in Aquaponics are used to but aside from that I expect it shouldn't be too hard.<br/>
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Here is a link to a web site that is already selling kits and starter culture<br/>
<a href="http://www.algaelab.org/" target="_blank">Algae Lab</a></p>
<p>And here are the <a href="http://www.aquaponiclynx.com/NEW%20PPBR_InstructionsPhotosChelatedIron6-2011-1.pdf" target="_blank">pdf instructions for the kit they sell.</a></p> Self Sustaining Aquaponicstag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-07-30:4778851:Topic:1664012011-07-30T00:41:45.186ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
<p>This topic was started due to the prompting of Kobus and TC Lynx. Aquaponics as it is, relies on high quality fish feed as the main nutrient source for fish and plant production. As we all know fish feed was developed mostly for farmed fish(aquaculture), and while we use it out of necessity today, we are becoming increasingly aware of its limit for the long term. Fish feed production, utilizing aquatic animals is simply not sustainable, and i believe it is a science like AP which will…</p>
<p>This topic was started due to the prompting of Kobus and TC Lynx. Aquaponics as it is, relies on high quality fish feed as the main nutrient source for fish and plant production. As we all know fish feed was developed mostly for farmed fish(aquaculture), and while we use it out of necessity today, we are becoming increasingly aware of its limit for the long term. Fish feed production, utilizing aquatic animals is simply not sustainable, and i believe it is a science like AP which will create overwhelming demand for a land produced equivalent to this, in the likes of Duckweed, BSLF, Red worms, Amino Acid producing algae. In the near future AP operations will call on the operator, be it backyard or commercial, to learn to produce his own feed and develop his own self sustaining AP. This information gives the operator the freedom to feed his AP with the inputs of his choosing, toward growing healthy fish and vegetables.</p>
<p>Apart from AP, the growing of duckweed, algae, worms etc. are disciplines within themselves and warrant separate discussion on the formulas, techniques and skills needed to successfully produce them. So how does each of us do it?.............................</p>