Water Temps for Veggies? - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T12:48:31Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/water-temps-for-veggies?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A193273&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHow to grow more vegetables h…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-09-29:4778851:Comment:2254012011-09-29T13:35:10.005ZTwo Jayhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TwoJay
How to grow more vegetables has been on my shelf for awhile now... borrowed from the library, there is an updated vs. coming out very soon. It's a good resource.
How to grow more vegetables has been on my shelf for awhile now... borrowed from the library, there is an updated vs. coming out very soon. It's a good resource. The best information on this…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-09-29:4778851:Comment:2249822011-09-29T13:18:00.960ZMiguel Afonsohttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/MiguelAfonso
<p>The best information on this topic I have found relate to ambient temperatures for growing in soil. So here is the info. The first set of info is the temperature range they will grow and the second is optimal growing temps.</p>
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<p>40-75 (60-65) Beet, Broad Bean, Broccoli, Brussels sprouts, Cabbage, Chard, Collard, horseradish, Kale, Kohlrabi, parsnip, radish,rutabaga, sorrel, spinach, turnip</p>
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<p>45-75 (60-65) artichoke, carrot. cauliflower,celeriac, celery, chineses…</p>
<p>The best information on this topic I have found relate to ambient temperatures for growing in soil. So here is the info. The first set of info is the temperature range they will grow and the second is optimal growing temps.</p>
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<p>40-75 (60-65) Beet, Broad Bean, Broccoli, Brussels sprouts, Cabbage, Chard, Collard, horseradish, Kale, Kohlrabi, parsnip, radish,rutabaga, sorrel, spinach, turnip</p>
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<p>45-75 (60-65) artichoke, carrot. cauliflower,celeriac, celery, chineses cabbagae, endive, fennel, lettuce, mustard, parsely pea, potato</p>
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<p>45-85 (55-75) chicory,chive, garlic, leek, onion, salsify, shallot</p>
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<p>50-80 (60- 70) bean, lima bean</p>
<p>50-95 (60 -75) corn, cow pea, New Zealand spinach</p>
<p>50 -90 (65-75) pumpkin, squash</p>
<p>60-90 (65-75) cucumber, muskmelon</p>
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<p>65-85 (70-75) Sweet peppers, tomato</p>
<p>65-95 (70-85) egg plant, hot peppers, okra, sweet potato, watermelon</p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">how to grow more vegetables</span> by John Jeavons</p> Hi Two Jay,
Yes, I too, am in…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-09-23:4778851:Comment:2229892011-09-23T14:48:41.788ZTeresa N Floridahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Teresa
<p>Hi Two Jay,</p>
<p>Yes, I too, am interested in knowing if you ever developed the chart of fish & veggie ideal pH levels?</p>
<p>Hi Two Jay,</p>
<p>Yes, I too, am interested in knowing if you ever developed the chart of fish & veggie ideal pH levels?</p> Hi,
I was thinking about th…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-08-24:4778851:Comment:1932732011-08-24T16:56:20.686ZAllisyn Woodhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/AllisynWood
<p>Hi,</p>
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<p>I was thinking about the pH needs, too. Did you ever develop a chart of fish & veggie ideal pH levels to match each fish tank to specific grow beds for those with multiple gardens?</p>
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<p><cite>Two Jay said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/water-temps-for-veggies#4778851Comment8022"><div>Well let's start with the fish. I would love to keep trout but I think it will be difficult to both heat and cool the system…</div>
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<p>Hi,</p>
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<p>I was thinking about the pH needs, too. Did you ever develop a chart of fish & veggie ideal pH levels to match each fish tank to specific grow beds for those with multiple gardens?</p>
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<p><cite>Two Jay said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/water-temps-for-veggies#4778851Comment8022"><div>Well let's start with the fish. I would love to keep trout but I think it will be difficult to both heat and cool the system throughout the year so I am going with heat. Originally we were thinking tilapia, which are still in the picture, but I am seriously considering bait fish since Michigan is one of the nations largest sports fishery. Suckers, chubs, shiners etc. can take the fluctuation in degrees, light, oxygen etc. and they will all accept pelleted food as well. Also, they are all easily attainable in local rivers and streams, which I used to do, and I won't have to clean them. Another benefit, I can sell them at virtually any size for the fishing industry, which means I may have to go with a way to sort them. On a side note, I am contemplating pelleting my own fish (and other animal) food. I don't care for the idea of not knowing what is being fed to my animals on the farm, fish are no exception, since we are eating from the same food chain.<br/> <br/>
Regarding veggies, I am with you Sylvia, I want heirloom tomatoes and cucumbers (my favorite) year round. The real goal though is diversity throughout the year.<br/>
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Currently I am working on a chart that shows water temps for various fish species compared to various vegetable varieties. After the temperature comparison, I may work up a PH chart as well.<br/>
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<cite>TCLynx said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://www.aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/water-temps-for-veggies#4778851Comment7991"><div>Well put Sylvia<br/> <br/> <cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite>
<blockquote cite="http://www.aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/water-temps-for-veggies?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A7988&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment7988"><div>One of the personal lessons I walked away with was that while you can drive yourself crazy doing all kinds of research around optimizing your plant growth, any water where fish are going to thrive (and at AeroGrow we focused on temps where humans are comfortable) will give you 90% of the results an optimized water bath will give you. And not fretting over it is priceless...;-)</div>
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</blockquote> Just checked, I can get local…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-08-04:4778851:Comment:80322010-08-04T21:40:29.000ZTwo Jayhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TwoJay
Just checked, I can get locally raised channel cats (4" - 6") for .65 or (6" - 8") for .95 while I can buy Hybrid Gills for (2" - 4") for .65 or (4" - 6") for 1.05. If anyone is interested in comparing prices, I am in Michigan, Trout run (4" - 6") for 1.10 and (8" - 10") 2.20. There are trout in the freezer.... but they won't do me much good now.<br />
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<cite>TCLynx said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/water-temps-for-veggies#4778851Comment8029"><div>I don't know…</div>
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Just checked, I can get locally raised channel cats (4" - 6") for .65 or (6" - 8") for .95 while I can buy Hybrid Gills for (2" - 4") for .65 or (4" - 6") for 1.05. If anyone is interested in comparing prices, I am in Michigan, Trout run (4" - 6") for 1.10 and (8" - 10") 2.20. There are trout in the freezer.... but they won't do me much good now.<br />
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<cite>TCLynx said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/water-temps-for-veggies#4778851Comment8029"><div>I don't know if wild caught cats or blue gill would be difficult to pellet train, I've not heard much about it. I've heard that some perch and bass might be more difficult to pellet train as would many other types of slower growing game fish. Cats and blue gill are pretty opportunistic so I would expect them to recognize food fairly quickly but I've no experience with wild caught fish.<br/> <br/>
Most fisheries that sell to stock farm ponds will carry fish that you can use so it might not be worth the trouble to get them from the wild. I get my catfish for 35-65 cents each depending on size.</div>
</blockquote> I don't know if wild caught c…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-08-04:4778851:Comment:80292010-08-04T20:06:56.000ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
I don't know if wild caught cats or blue gill would be difficult to pellet train, I've not heard much about it. I've heard that some perch and bass might be more difficult to pellet train as would many other types of slower growing game fish. Cats and blue gill are pretty opportunistic so I would expect them to recognize food fairly quickly but I've no experience with wild caught fish.<br />
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Most fisheries that sell to stock farm ponds will carry fish that you can use so it might not be worth the…
I don't know if wild caught cats or blue gill would be difficult to pellet train, I've not heard much about it. I've heard that some perch and bass might be more difficult to pellet train as would many other types of slower growing game fish. Cats and blue gill are pretty opportunistic so I would expect them to recognize food fairly quickly but I've no experience with wild caught fish.<br />
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Most fisheries that sell to stock farm ponds will carry fish that you can use so it might not be worth the trouble to get them from the wild. I get my catfish for 35-65 cents each depending on size. Both have come to mind. Do yo…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-08-04:4778851:Comment:80282010-08-04T18:40:55.000ZTwo Jayhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TwoJay
Both have come to mind. Do you think it would be ok for wild caught fish in the system or am I looking for trouble in trying to get them trained on feed, disease etc?<br />
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Side note, my grandfather did a study with the DNR about 30 years ago, live catfish in his ponds. They studied the age of wild caught Mudcat / Channel cats. If I can get his pics and scan them in I will share with everyone.<br />
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<cite>TCLynx said:…</cite>
Both have come to mind. Do you think it would be ok for wild caught fish in the system or am I looking for trouble in trying to get them trained on feed, disease etc?<br />
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Side note, my grandfather did a study with the DNR about 30 years ago, live catfish in his ponds. They studied the age of wild caught Mudcat / Channel cats. If I can get his pics and scan them in I will share with everyone.<br />
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<cite>TCLynx said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/water-temps-for-veggies#4778851Comment8024"><div>There are also some good food fish that will grow with fluctuating temperatures. Like Blue Gill and Catfish that would be locally available.</div>
</blockquote> There are also some good food…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-08-04:4778851:Comment:80242010-08-04T13:54:44.000ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
There are also some good food fish that will grow with fluctuating temperatures. Like Blue Gill and Catfish that would be locally available.
There are also some good food fish that will grow with fluctuating temperatures. Like Blue Gill and Catfish that would be locally available. Well let's start with the fis…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-08-04:4778851:Comment:80222010-08-04T13:36:10.000ZTwo Jayhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TwoJay
Well let's start with the fish. I would love to keep trout but I think it will be difficult to both heat and cool the system throughout the year so I am going with heat. Originally we were thinking tilapia, which are still in the picture, but I am seriously considering bait fish since Michigan is one of the nations largest sports fishery. Suckers, chubs, shiners etc. can take the fluctuation in degrees, light, oxygen etc. and they will all accept pelleted food as well. Also, they are all easily…
Well let's start with the fish. I would love to keep trout but I think it will be difficult to both heat and cool the system throughout the year so I am going with heat. Originally we were thinking tilapia, which are still in the picture, but I am seriously considering bait fish since Michigan is one of the nations largest sports fishery. Suckers, chubs, shiners etc. can take the fluctuation in degrees, light, oxygen etc. and they will all accept pelleted food as well. Also, they are all easily attainable in local rivers and streams, which I used to do, and I won't have to clean them. Another benefit, I can sell them at virtually any size for the fishing industry, which means I may have to go with a way to sort them. On a side note, I am contemplating pelleting my own fish (and other animal) food. I don't care for the idea of not knowing what is being fed to my animals on the farm, fish are no exception, since we are eating from the same food chain.<br />
<br />
Regarding veggies, I am with you Sylvia, I want heirloom tomatoes and cucumbers (my favorite) year round. The real goal though is diversity throughout the year.<br />
<br />
Currently I am working on a chart that shows water temps for various fish species compared to various vegetable varieties. After the temperature comparison, I may work up a PH chart as well.<br />
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<cite>TCLynx said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/water-temps-for-veggies#4778851Comment7991"><div>Well put Sylvia<br/> <br/>
<cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/water-temps-for-veggies?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A7988&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment7988"><div>One of the personal lessons I walked away with was that while you can drive yourself crazy doing all kinds of research around optimizing your plant growth, any water where fish are going to thrive (and at AeroGrow we focused on temps where humans are comfortable) will give you 90% of the results an optimized water bath will give you. And not fretting over it is priceless...;-)</div>
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</blockquote> Well put Sylvia
Sylvia Berns…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-08-04:4778851:Comment:79912010-08-04T02:48:14.000ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
Well put Sylvia<br />
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<cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/water-temps-for-veggies?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A7988&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment7988"><div>One of the personal lessons I walked away with was that while you can drive yourself crazy doing all kinds of research around optimizing your plant growth, any water where fish are going to thrive (and at AeroGrow we focused on temps where humans are comfortable) will…</div>
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Well put Sylvia<br />
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<cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/water-temps-for-veggies?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A7988&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment7988"><div>One of the personal lessons I walked away with was that while you can drive yourself crazy doing all kinds of research around optimizing your plant growth, any water where fish are going to thrive (and at AeroGrow we focused on temps where humans are comfortable) will give you 90% of the results an optimized water bath will give you. And not fretting over it is priceless...;-)</div>
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