Tragedy hit again - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T09:23:43Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/tragedy-hit-again?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A280618&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYea the more pressure you mak…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-06:4778851:Comment:2888112012-02-06T01:38:45.699ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Yea the more pressure you make the pump push against the more power (at least for water pumps, air pumps the draw is affected by travel so the more restricted the less draw but if you restrict an air pump that way you will burn it up faster.)</p>
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<p>The T or Bypass back to the tank where the pump resides is something every system should have IMO and if the pump is not strong enough to have a bypass opened up at all, then the pump might not be strong enough…</p>
<p>Yea the more pressure you make the pump push against the more power (at least for water pumps, air pumps the draw is affected by travel so the more restricted the less draw but if you restrict an air pump that way you will burn it up faster.)</p>
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<p>The T or Bypass back to the tank where the pump resides is something every system should have IMO and if the pump is not strong enough to have a bypass opened up at all, then the pump might not be strong enough overall.</p>
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<p>It's cool to hear the difference in wattage from the restricted pump to the one where the excess flow is allow to flow through.</p> I know it sounds a little cra…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-06:4778851:Comment:2887862012-02-06T01:17:12.236ZIan Cameronhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/IanCameron
<p>I know it sounds a little crazy, bu<strong>t</strong> I plumbed a return line for the water that is not used for the grow beds. Granted, my pump is sized a bit bigger than required, so I can always have water flowing into my sump/fish tank. Which by the way saves on the power used. I have a watt meter wired into the distribution panel for the setup, and noticed the difference immediately when the delivery pipe supply was restricted to just the 2 grow beds, then opened up via ball valve to…</p>
<p>I know it sounds a little crazy, bu<strong>t</strong> I plumbed a return line for the water that is not used for the grow beds. Granted, my pump is sized a bit bigger than required, so I can always have water flowing into my sump/fish tank. Which by the way saves on the power used. I have a watt meter wired into the distribution panel for the setup, and noticed the difference immediately when the delivery pipe supply was restricted to just the 2 grow beds, then opened up via ball valve to let unused water back to the fish tank. 96watts vs 58watts. Plus extra aeration.</p> Joe,
In a CHOP (constant…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-06:4778851:Comment:2886692012-02-06T00:45:50.367ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Joe,</p>
<p> In a CHOP (constant height one pump) or CHIFT PIST (constant height in fish tank pump in sump tank) system, the sump tank is actually a point of fail safe more than a point of failure. See those system designs don't have the pump inside the fish tank and therefore you are less likely to pump your fish tank dry in case of some disaster in plumbing. So a disaster in plumbing with a sump tank might still pump the sump tank dry and burn up the pump but the fish will still have…</p>
<p>Joe,</p>
<p> In a CHOP (constant height one pump) or CHIFT PIST (constant height in fish tank pump in sump tank) system, the sump tank is actually a point of fail safe more than a point of failure. See those system designs don't have the pump inside the fish tank and therefore you are less likely to pump your fish tank dry in case of some disaster in plumbing. So a disaster in plumbing with a sump tank might still pump the sump tank dry and burn up the pump but the fish will still have water in the fish tank and so might survive until you have time to fix the problem.</p>
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<p>However, if you are talking about a system that has a sump tank and multiple pumps (like pump from fish tank to grow beds and they drain to sump with a pump that pumps back to fish tank) well there you are at the mercy of the float switches and hoping they don't get fouled and that the sump pump can keep up etc. In that case the sump and it's float switches and pump are an added point of possible failure.</p>
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<p>The benefits of a sump tank are that you have more water in the system to help keep it stable, you hopefully can have a more constant water level in the fish tank and you can flood more grow beds without the extreme water level fluctuations you would have with out a sump tank or some other means to deal with water level fluctuations.</p> i have added a 300 gal sump t…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-05:4778851:Comment:2885302012-02-05T17:29:30.009ZRaymond Nunezhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RaymondNunez
<p>i have added a 300 gal sump tank in the event pump fails i wont lose any water .</p>
<p>i will also use tank for fry .</p>
<p>i have added a 300 gal sump tank in the event pump fails i wont lose any water .</p>
<p>i will also use tank for fry .</p> glad it helped ..... rik Ra…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-01-21:4778851:Comment:2813302012-01-21T16:33:12.411ZRik Kretzingerhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RikKretzinger
<p>glad it helped ..... rik<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Raymond Nunez said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/tragedy-hit-again?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A281255&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment281255"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>That was sooo cool .... Thanks some times a visual makes all the differance . <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Rik Kretzinger said:…</cite></p>
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<p>glad it helped ..... rik<br/> <br/> <cite>Raymond Nunez said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/tragedy-hit-again?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A281255&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment281255"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>That was sooo cool .... Thanks some times a visual makes all the differance . <br/> <br/> <cite>Rik Kretzinger said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/tragedy-hit-again?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A281404&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment281404"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><br/> Raymoind -- I did a quick Sketch-up for you. This should give you a good idea of what it looks like. Click on the link and it will take you to a YouTube video of the concept.</p>
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<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://youtu.be/GFV6a5dftm8" target="_blank">4" protection drain pipe</a></p>
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</blockquote> That was sooo cool .... Thank…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-01-21:4778851:Comment:2812552012-01-21T07:11:01.900ZRaymond Nunezhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RaymondNunez
<p>That was sooo cool .... Thanks some times a visual makes all the differance . <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Rik Kretzinger said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/tragedy-hit-again?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A281404&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment281404"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><br></br> Raymoind -- I did a quick Sketch-up for you. This should give you a good idea of what it looks like. Click on the link and it will take you to a YouTube…</p>
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<p>That was sooo cool .... Thanks some times a visual makes all the differance . <br/> <br/> <cite>Rik Kretzinger said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/tragedy-hit-again?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A281404&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment281404"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><br/> Raymoind -- I did a quick Sketch-up for you. This should give you a good idea of what it looks like. Click on the link and it will take you to a YouTube video of the concept.</p>
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<p><a href="http://youtu.be/GFV6a5dftm8" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">4" protection drain pipe</a></p>
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</blockquote> Raymoind -- I did a quick S…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-01-21:4778851:Comment:2814042012-01-21T06:44:28.973ZRik Kretzingerhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RikKretzinger
<p><br/> Raymoind -- I did a quick Sketch-up for you. This should give you a good idea of what it looks like. Click on the link and it will take you to a YouTube video of the concept.</p>
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<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://youtu.be/GFV6a5dftm8" target="_blank">4" protection drain pipe</a></p>
<p><br/> Raymoind -- I did a quick Sketch-up for you. This should give you a good idea of what it looks like. Click on the link and it will take you to a YouTube video of the concept.</p>
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<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://youtu.be/GFV6a5dftm8" target="_blank">4" protection drain pipe</a></p> I have a bunch of diagrams po…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-01-21:4778851:Comment:2809842012-01-21T00:40:00.304ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>I have a bunch of diagrams posted that might help.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aquaponiclynx.com/aquaponic-lynx-llc/aquaponics-in-detail/sept-2011-aquaponic-plumbing-class" target="_blank">Plumbing Class</a></p>
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<p>I have a bunch of diagrams posted that might help.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aquaponiclynx.com/aquaponic-lynx-llc/aquaponics-in-detail/sept-2011-aquaponic-plumbing-class" target="_blank">Plumbing Class</a></p>
<p></p> Thanks a picture would help.T…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-01-20:4778851:Comment:2808962012-01-20T21:47:46.354ZRaymond Nunezhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RaymondNunez
<p>Thanks a picture would help.The sump pump I have know is from orchard and so far I have had to take them back twice</p>
<p>to exchange for another . I think I am going to try a pump from Little Giant and install a larger return tank that can hold the volum of water.. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Rik Kretzinger said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/tragedy-hit-again#4778851Comment280753"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Build in some tank insurance for…</p>
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<p>Thanks a picture would help.The sump pump I have know is from orchard and so far I have had to take them back twice</p>
<p>to exchange for another . I think I am going to try a pump from Little Giant and install a larger return tank that can hold the volum of water.. <br/> <br/> <cite>Rik Kretzinger said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/tragedy-hit-again#4778851Comment280753"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Build in some tank insurance for yourself. In my 100 gal system, I have only a 15 gallon sump. The tank insurance I use is a 4" drain pipe that is sealed around a 2 " shorter drain pipe inside the 4" one. I will see if I can dig out a picture to show you and post it here. This same thing has happened to me every time the electricity goes out and my backup power supply runs out of battery time. I also run air stones for this very reason for air supply. The concept is that the water level will never drop lower than the height of the 4" pipe, so you never lose water lower that the height of the 4" pipe. Your fish will have a good volume of water to live in until you can fix the problem. You should also have a backup sump pump handy just in case your pump goes out and the stores are closed. All good system design has redundancy build in -- very important concept in my mind. I use cheap sump pumps I get from Lowes or Orchard Supply. Last one worked for 3 years. This last one has been running 24X7 for about a year. I had the same problem you had with to much water and would sump tank would overflow. First pump was a 1/4hp switched out to a 1/3hp and the problem went away. More volume pumped now and now never overflow problems, until the sump pump blows out.</p>
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</blockquote> Build in some tank insurance…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-01-20:4778851:Comment:2807532012-01-20T06:03:30.157ZRik Kretzingerhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RikKretzinger
<p>Build in some tank insurance for yourself. In my 100 gal system, I have only a 15 gallon sump. The tank insurance I use is a 4" drain pipe that is sealed around a 2 " shorter drain pipe inside the 4" one. I will see if I can dig out a picture to show you and post it here. This same thing has happened to me every time the electricity goes out and my backup power supply runs out of battery time. I also run air stones for this very reason for air supply. The concept is that the water level…</p>
<p>Build in some tank insurance for yourself. In my 100 gal system, I have only a 15 gallon sump. The tank insurance I use is a 4" drain pipe that is sealed around a 2 " shorter drain pipe inside the 4" one. I will see if I can dig out a picture to show you and post it here. This same thing has happened to me every time the electricity goes out and my backup power supply runs out of battery time. I also run air stones for this very reason for air supply. The concept is that the water level will never drop lower than the height of the 4" pipe, so you never lose water lower that the height of the 4" pipe. Your fish will have a good volume of water to live in until you can fix the problem. You should also have a backup sump pump handy just in case your pump goes out and the stores are closed. All good system design has redundancy build in -- very important concept in my mind. I use cheap sump pumps I get from Lowes or Orchard Supply. Last one worked for 3 years. This last one has been running 24X7 for about a year. I had the same problem you had with to much water and would sump tank would overflow. First pump was a 1/4hp switched out to a 1/3hp and the problem went away. More volume pumped now and now never overflow problems, until the sump pump blows out.</p>