The back bone - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T09:45:20Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/the-back-bone?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A535388&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWell, that answers that quest…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-15:4778851:Comment:5481222014-02-15T15:22:58.952ZMax Gfxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/MaxGfx
<p>Well, that answers that question. I was just hoping, since they're so commonplace locally no matter where you live and their fittings are pretty much universal. I've lost a pump a couple times and had to re-do my plumbing both times when I got a new one because nobody in town had my exact pump in stock.</p>
<p>Well, that answers that question. I was just hoping, since they're so commonplace locally no matter where you live and their fittings are pretty much universal. I've lost a pump a couple times and had to re-do my plumbing both times when I got a new one because nobody in town had my exact pump in stock.</p> Yeah, I used a "taco pump" an…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-14:4778851:Comment:5478982014-02-14T18:28:18.229ZGlennhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Glenn
<p>Yeah, I used a "taco pump" another brand of hydronic pumps, to feed a fountain. and it was a nice very quiet, performer for a while. But they are really designed to move clean hot water in a continuous closed pipe loop sending heat through the radiators in the floor or baseboard system and directly back through the heater/boiler and pump.. Aquaponics and pond water carries too many solids that quickly deteriorate the performance of such pumps.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Max Gfx…</cite></p>
<p>Yeah, I used a "taco pump" another brand of hydronic pumps, to feed a fountain. and it was a nice very quiet, performer for a while. But they are really designed to move clean hot water in a continuous closed pipe loop sending heat through the radiators in the floor or baseboard system and directly back through the heater/boiler and pump.. Aquaponics and pond water carries too many solids that quickly deteriorate the performance of such pumps.<br/> <br/> <cite>Max Gfx said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/the-back-bone?x=1&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A535357&page=2#4778851Comment547874"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I've always wondered why you never hear of people using hydronic pumps used in radiant floor heating. Even the least expensive one that I've seen in hardware stores by Grundfos boasts a 15' head height and a maximum of 930 gallons per hour (obviously at 0 head). But still, at $88, that's cheaper than any pond/fountain pump I've ever seen of equal specs. Has anybody here ever tried one?</p>
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</blockquote> I've always wondered why you…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-14:4778851:Comment:5478742014-02-14T16:48:33.984ZMax Gfxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/MaxGfx
<p>I've always wondered why you never hear of people using hydronic pumps used in radiant floor heating. Even the least expensive one that I've seen in hardware stores by Grundfos boasts a 15' head height and a maximum of 930 gallons per hour (obviously at 0 head). But still, at $88, that's cheaper than any pond/fountain pump I've ever seen of equal specs. Has anybody here ever tried one?</p>
<p>I've always wondered why you never hear of people using hydronic pumps used in radiant floor heating. Even the least expensive one that I've seen in hardware stores by Grundfos boasts a 15' head height and a maximum of 930 gallons per hour (obviously at 0 head). But still, at $88, that's cheaper than any pond/fountain pump I've ever seen of equal specs. Has anybody here ever tried one?</p> That's correct George. From…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-12-12:4778851:Comment:5358472013-12-12T19:41:43.983ZGlennhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Glenn
<p><br></br> That's correct George. From the top of the pump. The water in the sump or well etc. above the pump actually adds to the strength of the lifting ability as a higher suction pressure exists than if the pump were at the surface height or higher than the source water. Some folks use to think middle of the pump but that's not right. The manufactures today all use the "top of the pump" in their design and specification calcs.<br></br> <cite>George said:…</cite></p>
<p><br/> That's correct George. From the top of the pump. The water in the sump or well etc. above the pump actually adds to the strength of the lifting ability as a higher suction pressure exists than if the pump were at the surface height or higher than the source water. Some folks use to think middle of the pump but that's not right. The manufactures today all use the "top of the pump" in their design and specification calcs.<br/> <cite>George said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/the-back-bone?page=1&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A535923&x=1#4778851Comment535923"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Not from the surf<span>ace of the w<span>ater for <span>a submerged pump? </span></span></span><br/> <br/> <cite>Anthony Payne said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/the-back-bone#4778851Comment535593"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><br/>I think it's most important to know the total vertical height from the top of the pump if submerged to the highest point of delivery. </p>
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</blockquote> Not from the surface of the w…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-12-12:4778851:Comment:5359232013-12-12T12:09:18.862ZGeorgehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Geoge
<p>Not from the surf<span>ace of the w<span>ater for <span>a submerged pump? </span></span></span><br/> <br/> <cite>Anthony Payne said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/the-back-bone#4778851Comment535593"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><br/>I think it's most important to know the total vertical height from the top of the pump if submerged to the highest point of delivery. </p>
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<p>Not from the surf<span>ace of the w<span>ater for <span>a submerged pump? </span></span></span><br/> <br/> <cite>Anthony Payne said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/the-back-bone#4778851Comment535593"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><br/>I think it's most important to know the total vertical height from the top of the pump if submerged to the highest point of delivery. </p>
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</blockquote> Thanks Glenn this will be a…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-12-12:4778851:Comment:5355932013-12-12T02:35:10.330ZAnthony Paynehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/AnthonyPayne
<p><br></br> Thanks Glenn this will be a good start.<br></br> <cite>Glenn said:</cite></p>
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<p><br/> Thanks Glenn this will be a good start.<br/> <cite>Glenn said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/the-back-bone#4778851Comment535719"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.your-garden-ponds-center.com/image-files/flow-chart.jpg" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="http://www.your-garden-ponds-center.com/image-files/flow-chart.jpg"/></a> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.your-garden-ponds-center.com/waterfall-pump-calculator.html">http://www.your-garden-ponds-center.com/waterfall-pump-calculator.html</a></p>
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<p>This chart and site should help in deciding required pump for any water fall. I think it's most important to know the total vertical height from the top of the pump if submerged to the highest point of delivery. And to consider total pipe or hose length if t meanders more than a couple inches from a straight line between the two points.</p>
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<p>That does sound like intriguing wall art. To come up with the rate, it might help to know the total wet surface area and the sound limits both min and max.. </p>
<p>Mechanical noise. And aeration can be played with to fit the functionality and enjoyment of the art after the pump requirements are established in stone if you will. Hope this helps.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.your-garden-ponds-center.com/image-files/flow-chart.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><img class="align-full" src="http://www.your-garden-ponds-center.com/image-files/flow-chart.jpg"></img></a> <a href="http://www.your-garden-ponds-center.com/waterfall-pump-calculator.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.your-garden-ponds-center.com/waterfall-pump-calculator.html</a></p>
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<p>This chart and site should help in deciding required pump for any water fall. I think it's most important to know the total vertical height from the top of the pump if submerged to the…</p>
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<p>This chart and site should help in deciding required pump for any water fall. I think it's most important to know the total vertical height from the top of the pump if submerged to the highest point of delivery. And to consider total pipe or hose length if t meanders more than a couple inches from a straight line between the two points.</p>
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<p>That does sound like intriguing wall art. To come up with the rate, it might help to know the total wet surface area and the sound limits both min and max.. </p>
<p>Mechanical noise. And aeration can be played with to fit the functionality and enjoyment of the art after the pump requirements are established in stone if you will. Hope this helps.</p> I have been thinking of a wat…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-12-11:4778851:Comment:5357012013-12-11T02:26:30.181ZAnthony Paynehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/AnthonyPayne
<p><span>I have been thinking of a waterfall water feature for aerating of the water, tumbling it on a wall of cone cups running into each other making run into the two fish tanks on the back wall like moving art with pleasant sounds. Maybe make in the shape of a fish as the water would run off the head and tail. This will be made out of stainless 16- 18 GA sheet metal and take a torch to it, to tint an uneven bluing look. With the fish being in the Coastal Native carving of the NW. My plans…</span></p>
<p><span>I have been thinking of a waterfall water feature for aerating of the water, tumbling it on a wall of cone cups running into each other making run into the two fish tanks on the back wall like moving art with pleasant sounds. Maybe make in the shape of a fish as the water would run off the head and tail. This will be made out of stainless 16- 18 GA sheet metal and take a torch to it, to tint an uneven bluing look. With the fish being in the Coastal Native carving of the NW. My plans are GH at 10 feet and if the sump sunken 4 feet then 14 feet over all hight</span></p> Anthony, Do you mean 14 to 15…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-12-11:4778851:Comment:5354432013-12-11T02:20:46.606ZGlennhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Glenn
<p>Anthony, Do you mean 14 to 15 inches instead of feet? normally speaking, pond and aquarium pumps are considered to be fractional horsepower pumps and fall off the performance charts above 15 feet and or 4000 gph. I checked the Fluval 304 ratings and it looks to have an optimum flow rate requirement of 260 gph. <br></br> </p>
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<p>For that kind of height and so little flow needed, I would suggest using air lift instead of fluid/pond pumps.<br></br> <cite>Anthony Payne…</cite></p>
<p>Anthony, Do you mean 14 to 15 inches instead of feet? normally speaking, pond and aquarium pumps are considered to be fractional horsepower pumps and fall off the performance charts above 15 feet and or 4000 gph. I checked the Fluval 304 ratings and it looks to have an optimum flow rate requirement of 260 gph. <br/> </p>
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<p>For that kind of height and so little flow needed, I would suggest using air lift instead of fluid/pond pumps.<br/> <cite>Anthony Payne said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/the-back-bone?page=1&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A535510&x=1#4778851Comment535388"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Glenn I will check Danner out, thank. Steve what is the gph on these pumps? I will push probably 14 to 15 feet in height. I do have a 55 gal fish tank in the living room and runs on a Fluval 304 with live plants. I have not breached the idea of turning this into AP with the wife as of yet.</p>
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</blockquote> you've got to be kidding Ant…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-12-11:4778851:Comment:5355102013-12-11T01:13:33.615ZGeorgehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Geoge
<p>you've got to be kidding<br/> <br/> <cite>Anthony Payne said:</cite></p>
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<p>you've got to be kidding<br/> <br/> <cite>Anthony Payne said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/the-back-bone#4778851Comment535388"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p> I will push probably 14 to 15 feet in height. </p>
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