Senate Wants to Give President Right to use military to imprison US citizens Without Charge or Trial - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T11:30:18Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/senate-wants-to-give-president-right-to-use-military-to-imprison?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A256760&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAnd if NDAA wasn't enough, wh…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-12-15:4778851:Comment:2659072011-12-15T18:13:59.350ZTeresa N Floridahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Teresa
<p>And if NDAA wasn't enough, what is the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) really all about?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-set-to-become-law-the-terror-is-nearer-than-ever-2011-12">Article today about NDAA, and SOPA also known as H.R.3261</a></p>
<p>And if NDAA wasn't enough, what is the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) really all about?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-set-to-become-law-the-terror-is-nearer-than-ever-2011-12">Article today about NDAA, and SOPA also known as H.R.3261</a></p> Dems, Repubs, Wallstreet, the…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-12-15:4778851:Comment:2656382011-12-15T17:21:05.072ZTeresa N Floridahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Teresa
<p>Dems, Repubs, Wallstreet, there is plenty of anger and blame to go around, (they are all scared of Ron Paul, lol).</p>
<p>But check this out about the food PRICE crisis. It's enough to make you scream.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/04/27/how_goldman_sachs_created_the_food_crisis">Article about the Goldman Sachs Commodity Index (GSCI)</a></p>
<p>Dems, Repubs, Wallstreet, there is plenty of anger and blame to go around, (they are all scared of Ron Paul, lol).</p>
<p>But check this out about the food PRICE crisis. It's enough to make you scream.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/04/27/how_goldman_sachs_created_the_food_crisis">Article about the Goldman Sachs Commodity Index (GSCI)</a></p> Well on the plus side, if thi…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-12-15:4778851:Comment:2656362011-12-15T16:44:04.996ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>Well on the plus side, if this passes maybe that means they can cut down on the assassinations...(see Judi Bari, Darryl Cherney, Earth First! etc...) Which <em>would</em> be some progress after all. </p>
<p>Well on the plus side, if this passes maybe that means they can cut down on the assassinations...(see Judi Bari, Darryl Cherney, Earth First! etc...) Which <em>would</em> be some progress after all. </p> Just wanted to give an update…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-12-15:4778851:Comment:2658012011-12-15T15:16:05.766ZDanny Danielhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DannyDaniel
<p>Just wanted to give an update about this law and how we mostly thought it would not pass,but it now it looks like it will pass because obama was the one who requested this law in the first place.</p>
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<p>so if this passes it means that we all lose our right to trial, and can be imprisoned for life without any proof or any reason. </p>
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<p>Just wanted to give an update about this law and how we mostly thought it would not pass,but it now it looks like it will pass because obama was the one who requested this law in the first place.</p>
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<p>so if this passes it means that we all lose our right to trial, and can be imprisoned for life without any proof or any reason. </p>
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I am in tota…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-11-28:4778851:Comment:2568002011-11-28T18:45:31.520ZDanny Danielhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DannyDaniel
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Carey Ma said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/senate-wants-to-give-president-right-to-use-military-to-imprison?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A256760&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment256830"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I am in total distrust of our Nazi government.... that's one big reason I am in communist China. I have so much more freedom here than back home.</p>
<p>Like Rome; the dream that was America is no…</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/senate-wants-to-give-president-right-to-use-military-to-imprison?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A256760&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment256830"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I am in total distrust of our Nazi government.... that's one big reason I am in communist China. I have so much more freedom here than back home.</p>
<p>Like Rome; the dream that was America is no more; just a mere illusion of what it is suppose to be.</p>
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<p>I pray for the day Americans stand up and change the wrongs. However, I know that as long as we run on Capitalist principles, this is just fantasy. As an ecolonomists, I strive for sustainability in order to devoid the world of both Communism and Capitalism, using AP as my tool.</p>
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<p>More power to you :), your doing a very big thing i wish you the best of luck. Im always open to helping anyway i can.</p>
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</blockquote> There are plenty of stories t…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-11-28:4778851:Comment:2567992011-11-28T18:44:21.252ZDanny Danielhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DannyDaniel
<p>There are plenty of stories that have been fabricated there not going to come out and tell us, it will be denied till the end. Just recently USA said it had found some person that was going to kill some saudia arabia prince i think, then they tried to blame it on iran and they say that they got this info from an informant that was working with the mexican cartel. makes for more reason to attack iran and give people the idea that iran is a bad bad person.</p>
<p> another very big thing that…</p>
<p>There are plenty of stories that have been fabricated there not going to come out and tell us, it will be denied till the end. Just recently USA said it had found some person that was going to kill some saudia arabia prince i think, then they tried to blame it on iran and they say that they got this info from an informant that was working with the mexican cartel. makes for more reason to attack iran and give people the idea that iran is a bad bad person.</p>
<p> another very big thing that happen was 9/11 now everyone has there stories and sides to this, but whatever it is there is sooo much lies in what really happen that we will probably never know the truth.</p>
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<p>i respect and give much thanks to all the men and women out serving protecting us so we can sleep peacefully at nights.</p>
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<p>Also check this video out, it is a Human resources video with real footage its kind of hard video to watch , so its not for the faint of hearts consider this a warning,but it is verrrrrryy scary.</p>
<p>http://metanoia-films.org/hr_watchonline.php</p>
<p><br/> <cite>David Waite said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/senate-wants-to-give-president-right-to-use-military-to-imprison?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A256760&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment256760"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I don't trust our government at all when it comes to politics. I can't pull up any stories of fabricated terrorists either. Do I think the government wants to control us you bet. I struggle with giving them the power to monitor these wack jobs vs making them run into court every time the nut job buys a new disposable phone. I will say their track record of 41 intercepted camel shaggers to no foreign born successful attacks since 911 gives me some hope of the laws are working. I spent 8 years in the military so I know the government lies to its citizens. I also know the military is full of dedicated men and women who feel just like us. I personally think they have enough tools to keep us safe, BUT..............I dont work in their field and tend to trust them when they ask for more tools to track these nut jobs. So you have just read the ramblings of a confused citizen. heehe.</p>
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</blockquote> I am in total distrust of our…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-11-28:4778851:Comment:2568302011-11-28T11:07:05.912ZCarey Mahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/CareyMa
<p>I am in total distrust of our Nazi government.... that's one big reason I am in communist China. I have so much more freedom here than back home.</p>
<p>Like Rome; the dream that was America is no more; just a mere illusion of what it is suppose to be.</p>
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<p>I pray for the day Americans stand up and change the wrongs. However, I know that as long as we run on Capitalist principles, this is just fantasy. As an ecolonomists, I strive for sustainability in order to devoid the world of…</p>
<p>I am in total distrust of our Nazi government.... that's one big reason I am in communist China. I have so much more freedom here than back home.</p>
<p>Like Rome; the dream that was America is no more; just a mere illusion of what it is suppose to be.</p>
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<p>I pray for the day Americans stand up and change the wrongs. However, I know that as long as we run on Capitalist principles, this is just fantasy. As an ecolonomists, I strive for sustainability in order to devoid the world of both Communism and Capitalism, using AP as my tool.</p> I don't trust our government…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-11-28:4778851:Comment:2567602011-11-28T09:23:32.923ZDavid Waitehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DavidWaite
<p>I don't trust our government at all when it comes to politics. I can't pull up any stories of fabricated terrorists either. Do I think the government wants to control us you bet. I struggle with giving them the power to monitor these wack jobs vs making them run into court every time the nut job buys a new disposable phone. I will say their track record of 41 intercepted camel shaggers to no foreign born successful attacks since 911 gives me some hope of the laws are working. I spent 8 years…</p>
<p>I don't trust our government at all when it comes to politics. I can't pull up any stories of fabricated terrorists either. Do I think the government wants to control us you bet. I struggle with giving them the power to monitor these wack jobs vs making them run into court every time the nut job buys a new disposable phone. I will say their track record of 41 intercepted camel shaggers to no foreign born successful attacks since 911 gives me some hope of the laws are working. I spent 8 years in the military so I know the government lies to its citizens. I also know the military is full of dedicated men and women who feel just like us. I personally think they have enough tools to keep us safe, BUT..............I dont work in their field and tend to trust them when they ask for more tools to track these nut jobs. So you have just read the ramblings of a confused citizen. heehe.</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/senate-wants-to-give-president-right-to-use-military-to-imprison?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A256559&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment256559"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Your right, citizen or not a traitor is a traitor. when these laws are used correctly it works very good and a lot of people can be protected,like Erik i feel no man has to right to take another mans life so im more against war and for peace but if war comes to my door step i wouldn't hesitate for 1 second. but to be back on topic do you not think that after they get these new laws , which they say is for our own good then can be used against us.do you not think it is possible for some of these stories to be fabricated or fear mongering so they can get new laws in? has it not been done before?</p>
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<p>For example the patriot act it was put in place for our protection now that we are safe, they are using it to monitor us. Not like they weren't already.</p>
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<p>Thanks for all the new info everyone this is my favorite way to learn<img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/>, opens up your mind to a whole different perceptive of looking at things in life, and its fun.</p>
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<p><br/> <cite>David Waite said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/senate-wants-to-give-president-right-to-use-military-to-imprison?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A256538&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment256538"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I think when an American citizen allies with the enemy terrorists or not they give up their rights. They commit treason at that point and fall under the rules of war. We should deal with them like we did back in WWII. They were shot or incarcerated. Are we losing our rights a little at a time. I agree and we should fight for those with everything we have. Just dont ask me to feel sorry for some asshole who joins Osama's ranks and wants to be treated like a common criminal. That being said I do feel that a civilian body should be the ones who determine who is a traitor based on evidence and not the military itself. I think the latest cleric Alwaki was a prime candidate for assasination due to the mountain of video he produced asking his followers to slaughter us. He was a traitor and did not belong in the civil court system. Just my thoughts.<a rel="nofollow" style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Tongue.gif"/></a></p>
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</blockquote> Your right, citizen or not a…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-11-28:4778851:Comment:2565592011-11-28T05:36:04.813ZDanny Danielhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DannyDaniel
<p>Your right, citizen or not a traitor is a traitor. when these laws are used correctly it works very good and a lot of people can be protected,like Erik i feel no man has to right to take another mans life so im more against war and for peace but if war comes to my door step i wouldn't hesitate for 1 second. but to be back on topic do you not think that after they get these new laws , which they say is for our own good then can be used against us.do you not think it is possible for some of…</p>
<p>Your right, citizen or not a traitor is a traitor. when these laws are used correctly it works very good and a lot of people can be protected,like Erik i feel no man has to right to take another mans life so im more against war and for peace but if war comes to my door step i wouldn't hesitate for 1 second. but to be back on topic do you not think that after they get these new laws , which they say is for our own good then can be used against us.do you not think it is possible for some of these stories to be fabricated or fear mongering so they can get new laws in? has it not been done before?</p>
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<p>For example the patriot act it was put in place for our protection now that we are safe, they are using it to monitor us. Not like they weren't already.</p>
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<p>Thanks for all the new info everyone this is my favorite way to learn :), opens up your mind to a whole different perceptive of looking at things in life, and its fun.</p>
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<p><br/> <cite>David Waite said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/senate-wants-to-give-president-right-to-use-military-to-imprison?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A256538&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment256538"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I think when an American citizen allies with the enemy terrorists or not they give up their rights. They commit treason at that point and fall under the rules of war. We should deal with them like we did back in WWII. They were shot or incarcerated. Are we losing our rights a little at a time. I agree and we should fight for those with everything we have. Just dont ask me to feel sorry for some asshole who joins Osama's ranks and wants to be treated like a common criminal. That being said I do feel that a civilian body should be the ones who determine who is a traitor based on evidence and not the military itself. I think the latest cleric Alwaki was a prime candidate for assasination due to the mountain of video he produced asking his followers to slaughter us. He was a traitor and did not belong in the civil court system. Just my thoughts.<a rel="nofollow" style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Tongue.gif"/></a></p>
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<p>I don't think anyone should be treated in that way. However you make a valid point.<img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"></img> <br></br> <br></br> <cite>David Waite said:</cite></p>
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<p>I don't think anyone should be treated in that way. However you make a valid point.<img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/><br/> <br/>
<cite>David Waite said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/senate-wants-to-give-president-right-to-use-military-to-imprison?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A256538&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment256538"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I think when an American citizen allies with the enemy terrorists or not they give up their rights. They commit treason at that point and fall under the rules of war. We should deal with them like we did back in WWII. They were shot or incarcerated. Are we losing our rights a little at a time. I agree and we should fight for those with everything we have. Just dont ask me to feel sorry for some asshole who joins Osama's ranks and wants to be treated like a common criminal. That being said I do feel that a civilian body should be the ones who determine who is a traitor based on evidence and not the military itself. I think the latest cleric Alwaki was a prime candidate for assasination due to the mountain of video he produced asking his followers to slaughter us. He was a traitor and did not belong in the civil court system. Just my thoughts.<a rel="nofollow" style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Tongue.gif"/></a></p>
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