SchoolGrown Learning Lab Greenhouses - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T12:39:31Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/schoolgrown-learning-lab-greenhouses?groupUrl=apforeducators&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A576310&groupId=4778851%3AGroup%3A37089&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWell folks, just a quick upda…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2015-03-11:4778851:Comment:5997392015-03-11T17:07:48.032ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
<p>Well folks, just a quick update on SchoolGrown. </p>
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<p>We have been busy getting all the details of running a non-profit done, and are staging to get busy building school sites. We have all our corporate paperwork and insurance done, and 501c3 pending. Our Half Moon Bay hub, an 8000 sq ft glass house adjacent to Ouroboros Aquaponics, is filling up with fast. We have a demonstration there of the school model, and several thousand square feet of experimental area. We are setting up a…</p>
<p>Well folks, just a quick update on SchoolGrown. </p>
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<p>We have been busy getting all the details of running a non-profit done, and are staging to get busy building school sites. We have all our corporate paperwork and insurance done, and 501c3 pending. Our Half Moon Bay hub, an 8000 sq ft glass house adjacent to Ouroboros Aquaponics, is filling up with fast. We have a demonstration there of the school model, and several thousand square feet of experimental area. We are setting up a micro-biology lab there soon as well, to corroborate with the food safety industry and government agencies to do some sorely needed aquaponics documentation. </p>
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<p>The first LEAF greenhouse, a 30' x 60' powerhouse of aquaponics, will be built at San Lorenzo Valley High School in Felton, California next month. We will document this with some video to share with you all how it comes together. </p>
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<p>More later, thanks all.</p> Sounds like the FDA and DOA g…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-09:4778851:Comment:5776822014-09-09T13:18:16.659ZJim Fiskhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimFisk
<p>Sounds like the FDA and DOA got together on that one. The same folks that don't want to see gardens on front lawns like they were something dirty. wth.</p>
<p>On the peroxide front I am willing to bet they never heard of cs. Cs has been used very successfully by aquarium folks for years now to keep fish and vegetation healthy. It only destroys the anaerobes while allowing the aerobes to flourish.</p>
<p>Man oh man what a waste. Ozone could certainly be used as a rinse but that is just as…</p>
<p>Sounds like the FDA and DOA got together on that one. The same folks that don't want to see gardens on front lawns like they were something dirty. wth.</p>
<p>On the peroxide front I am willing to bet they never heard of cs. Cs has been used very successfully by aquarium folks for years now to keep fish and vegetation healthy. It only destroys the anaerobes while allowing the aerobes to flourish.</p>
<p>Man oh man what a waste. Ozone could certainly be used as a rinse but that is just as true with any field grown produce as well. Science at it's worst. 38K sq ft of very expensive real estate and fallow. Nice. The big $ failures just keep piling up while the grass roots efforts keep growing, literally. Those folks never will understand "natural". This has been ongoing since WW2 when our bomb making infrastructure was left with all that ammonium nitrate and no place to use it. Alas they figured it out much to the public's demise. Manure?! grose. Bureaucrats.<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Frown.gif"/></a></p> I tell all my market customer…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-09:4778851:Comment:5778012014-09-09T12:53:39.498ZRob Nashhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RobNash
<p>I tell all my market customers they dont have to wash our lettuce, kale or chard.. none of them do..<br/>and after 5years of selling produce to the public... not one incident. ive sold basil to restaurants for 9 years, they never wash it...we all know ... the worst enemy of a food producing outfit..is the guy that doesnt know how/when to wash his hands.</p>
<p>like Jim said,, im going to carry on.</p>
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<p>I tell all my market customers they dont have to wash our lettuce, kale or chard.. none of them do..<br/>and after 5years of selling produce to the public... not one incident. ive sold basil to restaurants for 9 years, they never wash it...we all know ... the worst enemy of a food producing outfit..is the guy that doesnt know how/when to wash his hands.</p>
<p>like Jim said,, im going to carry on.</p>
<p></p> Yeah, thanks for the heads up…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-09:4778851:Comment:5775972014-09-09T05:45:52.407ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
<p>Yeah, thanks for the heads up, Jim. I'll start with local schools in may area, and spread like a plague. Hopefully the growing experience base will spread in front of me to make local education easier. The irony is that aquaponics mocks nature, and some folks seam to miss the fact that fish live in water, and this water irrigates our fields. It is no different in AP in that respect. </p>
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<p>Like you said, carry on.</p>
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<p>The "stealth visitors" that came to Viridis were in…</p>
<p>Yeah, thanks for the heads up, Jim. I'll start with local schools in may area, and spread like a plague. Hopefully the growing experience base will spread in front of me to make local education easier. The irony is that aquaponics mocks nature, and some folks seam to miss the fact that fish live in water, and this water irrigates our fields. It is no different in AP in that respect. </p>
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<p>Like you said, carry on.</p>
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<p>The "stealth visitors" that came to Viridis were in their third year of "trials", and had gone over the top in their AP pilot project to guarantee the impossibility of pathogens, by using peroxide, UV, and ozone. What they accomplished was a taxed and crippled ecosystem, trying to sterilize the baddies while relying on the good guys. They failed, composted hundreds of thousands of heads of lettuce without making it to market (paranoia). They opted for sterilized hydroponic production, but even that was to "risky", so they all went home. The GH is still empty, with 38K sq ft of troughs going to waste. Hmmm, maybe I'll have to salvage it, eh?</p>
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<p>I met a wonderful group of educators at Sylvia's Festival last month that installed an aquaponic school farm in Chicago. This particular district allowed the system strictly as demo only, and demanded that the produce be destroyed. They were not allowed to eat, for any reason, nor give it away, nor even compost it. It all had to be destroyed. How's that for "higher learning"?</p> One fact is that anytime bird…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-08-26:4778851:Comment:5765852014-08-26T18:17:50.149ZJim Fiskhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimFisk
<p>One fact is that anytime birds are allowed to fly over any produce in the field or in a GH, be it AP or HP, there is an equal chance of spreading e coli so when exactly should we be concerned? This is by no means limited to AP. We have a great many commercial ops both large and small spread all over the planet now and I have yet to hear of any e coli outbreaks related to AP. I'm sure Monsanto can help us out with an e coli resistant strain of veggies. Can't wait to hear from them. There will…</p>
<p>One fact is that anytime birds are allowed to fly over any produce in the field or in a GH, be it AP or HP, there is an equal chance of spreading e coli so when exactly should we be concerned? This is by no means limited to AP. We have a great many commercial ops both large and small spread all over the planet now and I have yet to hear of any e coli outbreaks related to AP. I'm sure Monsanto can help us out with an e coli resistant strain of veggies. Can't wait to hear from them. There will always be "stealth visitors" and there will always be e coli all around us as well as in us. When they find an outbreak in any AP system anywhere I will listen. Until then I will carry on.</p> I met Laurie Munroe at the Aq…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-08-26:4778851:Comment:5767062014-08-26T17:22:45.401ZGary Kofflerhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/GaryKoffler
<p>I met Laurie Munroe at the Aquaponics at the Calif State Fair exhibit last month. She is a knowledgeable enthusiast working with the Aquaponics Association in a volunteer IT capacity. One of the first topics we discussed was research she had read about a strain of waterborne e.coli found in tanks and, presumably, fish. She spoke with the very knowledgeable professors from Sacramento State University. They asked if the research had been peer reviewed and if human toxicity of the e.coli strain…</p>
<p>I met Laurie Munroe at the Aquaponics at the Calif State Fair exhibit last month. She is a knowledgeable enthusiast working with the Aquaponics Association in a volunteer IT capacity. One of the first topics we discussed was research she had read about a strain of waterborne e.coli found in tanks and, presumably, fish. She spoke with the very knowledgeable professors from Sacramento State University. They asked if the research had been peer reviewed and if human toxicity of the e.coli strain in question had been determined.</p>
<p>I recall Jon saying he had "stealth" visitors to Viridis who asked if they knew that their produce might kill people? Kinda sensationalistic. Let's find out the facts...</p> Hey Jon, sounds great. I only…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-08-26:4778851:Comment:5764822014-08-26T15:10:46.275ZJim Fiskhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimFisk
<p>Hey Jon, sounds great. I only hope you don't run into what our HS here ran into way back in 2010. At our Mountain City HS they were running a great AP project that was extremely popular and when I learned of AP in 2011 everyone told me I must take a tour. So I immediately called for an appointment only to be told "we are sorry but we had to drop the AP and go back to aquaculture and hydroponics due to the risk of e coli".</p>
<p>It would appear that the local board of health shut their AP…</p>
<p>Hey Jon, sounds great. I only hope you don't run into what our HS here ran into way back in 2010. At our Mountain City HS they were running a great AP project that was extremely popular and when I learned of AP in 2011 everyone told me I must take a tour. So I immediately called for an appointment only to be told "we are sorry but we had to drop the AP and go back to aquaculture and hydroponics due to the risk of e coli".</p>
<p>It would appear that the local board of health shut their AP system down due to the health risks involved. Now we all know the ludicrousness of that decision (cold blooded fish harbor no e coli for the uninitiated) but nonetheless there you go and after a large AP system was by all accounts very successful and popular with all concerned, not to mention that all the produce they raised was being consumed right there in the school cafeteria, here comes big gov to ruin it all for everyone. Forewarned is forearmed. You must first educate the authorities who in the end can destroy all your great and hard work.</p> Gary, it is always a pleasure…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-08-22:4778851:Comment:5763102014-08-22T21:27:40.741ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
<p>Gary, it is always a pleasure spending time with you, and I sure do appreciate your experience you bring to the table. Lumber and trusses will be there Wednesday morning, so we will be pushing Wednesday through Friday to build out an 1800 sq ft SchoolGrown model, identical as it will be in the first batch of schools. </p>
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<p>Tomorrow and Sunday are classes and workshops AP1 and 2, and volunteer building days next week W-F. If any would like to attend class, visit, or volunteer,…</p>
<p>Gary, it is always a pleasure spending time with you, and I sure do appreciate your experience you bring to the table. Lumber and trusses will be there Wednesday morning, so we will be pushing Wednesday through Friday to build out an 1800 sq ft SchoolGrown model, identical as it will be in the first batch of schools. </p>
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<p>Tomorrow and Sunday are classes and workshops AP1 and 2, and volunteer building days next week W-F. If any would like to attend class, visit, or volunteer, please take a minute to look here: <a href="http://www.schoolgrown.com/workshops/" target="_blank">http://www.schoolgrown.com/workshops/</a><br/> <br/> <cite>Gary Koffler said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/schoolgrown-learning-lab-greenhouses?groupUrl=apforeducators&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A575991&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment575991"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'll be there tomorrow morning to help out.</p>
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</blockquote> Right-O brother. I want to ta…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-08-22:4778851:Comment:5760992014-08-22T21:21:20.956ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
<p>Right-O brother. I want to take this moment to encourage everyone to book your tickets for the AP Conference. I look forward to showing you all around the place and learning together. I have enjoyed every conference so far, and this one will dazzle, with some exciting new things to share. …</p>
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<p>Right-O brother. I want to take this moment to encourage everyone to book your tickets for the AP Conference. I look forward to showing you all around the place and learning together. I have enjoyed every conference so far, and this one will dazzle, with some exciting new things to share. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.aquaponicsassociation.org/portfolio-items/2014-conference-santa-cruz/" target="_blank">http://www.aquaponicsassociation.org/portfolio-items/2014-conference-santa-cruz/</a></p>
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<p><br/> <cite>Rob Nash said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/schoolgrown-learning-lab-greenhouses?groupUrl=apforeducators&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A575991&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment575069"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>right on Jon, i cant wait to hear more about it and then see it take flight here in Austin..</p>
<p>See you at the Conference ...as usual, it should be Good Times for all.</p>
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</blockquote> I'll be there tomorrow mornin…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-08-22:4778851:Comment:5759912014-08-22T06:55:55.569ZGary Kofflerhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/GaryKoffler
<p>I'll be there tomorrow morning to help out.</p>
<p>I'll be there tomorrow morning to help out.</p>