ROI for aquaponics - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T06:33:47Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/roi-for-aquaponics?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A67210&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSorry for butting in late but…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-23:4778851:Comment:720032011-03-23T12:28:08.222ZKobus Joostehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/KobusJooste
<p>Sorry for butting in late but I have been busy!</p>
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<p>I think ROI considerations on a home system is an interesting but complicated matter. Most people getting into AP because of distance to market or produce quality considerations may argue that what they grow is far more valuable to them than the stuff on shop shelves. Also, you need to look at growing what you consume, which is often difficult to balance - a simple salad bowl can contain a great many different items and to be…</p>
<p>Sorry for butting in late but I have been busy!</p>
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<p>I think ROI considerations on a home system is an interesting but complicated matter. Most people getting into AP because of distance to market or produce quality considerations may argue that what they grow is far more valuable to them than the stuff on shop shelves. Also, you need to look at growing what you consume, which is often difficult to balance - a simple salad bowl can contain a great many different items and to be able to grow them all at once, you need a rather larger system than what many people consider. Then there are the losses that are not easy to predict - one of your cucumber plants go belly up and you are without cucumbers for 40 days.......</p>
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<p>I am trying to collate how much I have been able to produce in a year run, because I think some long term yield results is all that is going to settle the matter. since December, I have had over 360 salad tomatoes alone, although some system issues have delayed other crops. I think in the end a smaller system will take a longer time to "pay" for itself, but there is more value in it to me than simply the shelf value of the crops I am getting.</p>
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<p>In terms of comments I have seen about type of systems, I firmly believe that raft cannot do an entire home basket. It was developed for commercial leaf crop production. Mixed systems with some raft, some tower and some media components, I believe, is going to be the best type of set-up to get you a diverse crop supply for a home system. Also, I will not take recommendations from companies that have not operated a system extensively seriously. The Aussies rule in media beds, the afore-mentioned guys know their rafts well, and then there are people here with a lot of experience with vertical growing. They all have good points to promote (I think the best system takes the best of all the methods, not a single one). I'm always cautious of consultants who only sell one design, but have a lot to say about systems they have less experience on. My media beds are not bothersome to manage, but some of the raft systems need daily filter clean-ups. That to me is more of a bother. Also, you have to be vegetarian to go through a raft of greens. I am not. I simply cannot deal with all that leaf production in my family, thus I have a system biast to fruit, which does far better in media. A carefully constructed bed can be turned from a media bed to a DWC bed and back again, allowing for experimentation.</p>
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<p>Look at the posts of Chris Smith from Hawaii - he started off with a pure raft system but started integrating media beds withworms into them for a good reason. </p> I plan to go with a round tan…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-23:4778851:Comment:721042011-03-23T11:14:33.747ZGeorge Thttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/GeorgeJThurmon
<p>I plan to go with a round tank and sink it in the ground except for maybe 6 inches.</p>
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<p><br></br> <a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772173721?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772173721?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a> <br></br> <cite>B. Pearcy said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/roi-for-aquaponics?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A66942&page=1#4778851Comment67311"><div>Burton,<br></br> <br></br> Thanks for the thoughtful response. You pointed out some things I had…</div>
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<p>I plan to go with a round tank and sink it in the ground except for maybe 6 inches.</p>
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<cite>B. Pearcy said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/roi-for-aquaponics?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A66942&page=1#4778851Comment67311"><div>Burton,<br/> <br/>
Thanks for the thoughtful response. You pointed out some things I had not thought of yet. Your right in the ballpark I am planning. I have to go a little lighter on fish tank and needs to look good. I will be at $300 for 200 gallons. The media expense is the area money is tight for me.$200 seems high for river gravel for a country boy but in an urban area it seems unavoidable.</div>
</blockquote> Thanks for posting the link.tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-20:4778851:Comment:688102011-03-20T02:32:16.033ZB. Pearcyhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BPearcy
Thanks for posting the link.
Thanks for posting the link. Found it :) http://aquaponics…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-19:4778851:Comment:686102011-03-19T23:07:37.875ZBurtonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BurtonRosenberger
Found it :) <a href="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/remediation-of-ibc-containers" target="_blank">http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/remediation-of-ibc-containers</a> ... containers I can find locally have been used for syrup transport<br/>
Found it :) <a href="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/remediation-of-ibc-containers" target="_blank">http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/remediation-of-ibc-containers</a> ... containers I can find locally have been used for syrup transport<br/> If i recall there is a thread…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-19:4778851:Comment:684042011-03-19T20:22:02.515ZBurtonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BurtonRosenberger
<p>If i recall there is a thread on here from the perspective of a marine who had to clean the used IBC totes used for all purposes.</p>
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<p>If I recall you remove the solids then wash with soap + water, then you fill with bleach + water and let sit for a couple of weeks, then you scrub again with soap and water then fill with plain water and wait for algae to grow. That's when you know its safe ...</p>
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<p>Might be able to find it if you search IBC on here :) or just IBC…</p>
<p>If i recall there is a thread on here from the perspective of a marine who had to clean the used IBC totes used for all purposes.</p>
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<p>If I recall you remove the solids then wash with soap + water, then you fill with bleach + water and let sit for a couple of weeks, then you scrub again with soap and water then fill with plain water and wait for algae to grow. That's when you know its safe ...</p>
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<p>Might be able to find it if you search IBC on here :) or just IBC cleaning on google</p> That's a pretty cool looking…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-19:4778851:Comment:683042011-03-19T20:18:34.153ZB. Pearcyhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BPearcy
<p>That's a pretty cool looking tote. The guy that sells IBC containers a couple miles from here get $100 a piece. This morning he told me he has no idea what has been in the containers, but someone who buys them regularly from him raises fish in them.</p>
<p>I went the local Aquamax dealer today and he pointed me back to Rubbermaid stock tanks.</p>
<p>That's a pretty cool looking tote. The guy that sells IBC containers a couple miles from here get $100 a piece. This morning he told me he has no idea what has been in the containers, but someone who buys them regularly from him raises fish in them.</p>
<p>I went the local Aquamax dealer today and he pointed me back to Rubbermaid stock tanks.</p> You could make it look even b…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-19:4778851:Comment:672462011-03-19T18:04:05.780ZBurtonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BurtonRosenberger
<p>You could make it look even better if you put paneling all around it with trim :)</p>
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<p>Check this out <a href="http://olctote.com/videopromo.html" target="_blank">http://olctote.com/videopromo.html</a> ... <br></br><br></br>Now this uses OCB plywood with wood strips and PP straps ^_^ granted you would need to buy a liner thats pretty cool...</p>
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<p>Also note, its wood, if you have termites might not be good, but you could make something like this with plywood, fiberglass, PP…</p>
<p>You could make it look even better if you put paneling all around it with trim :)</p>
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<p>Check this out <a href="http://olctote.com/videopromo.html" target="_blank">http://olctote.com/videopromo.html</a> ... <br/><br/>Now this uses OCB plywood with wood strips and PP straps ^_^ granted you would need to buy a liner thats pretty cool...</p>
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<p>Also note, its wood, if you have termites might not be good, but you could make something like this with plywood, fiberglass, PP straps n hooks, + HDPE liner for about the same cost as a used IBC! And think of the posiblities for color and spacing on the straps.</p>
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<p>You could also make a unit that is not as tall. This would make a system like this easier to move in the future ...</p>
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<p>Note the PP straps hold about 3500lbs each 0_0</p> That actually looks really cl…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-19:4778851:Comment:672362011-03-19T07:57:09.655ZJon Baldwinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonBaldwin
That actually looks really classy...
That actually looks really classy... There have been some with IBC…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-19:4778851:Comment:675012011-03-19T03:34:31.159ZBurtonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BurtonRosenberger
<p>There have been some with IBC tank owners who have decorated them to look nicer ... let me find the link sec ...</p>
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<p><a href="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/photo/new-indoor-winter-resort" target="_blank">http://aquaponicscommunity.com/photo/new-indoor-winter-resort</a></p>
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<p>goto the photo section on page and search IBC some people have done some good jobs making them look better :)</p>
<p>There have been some with IBC tank owners who have decorated them to look nicer ... let me find the link sec ...</p>
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<p><a href="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/photo/new-indoor-winter-resort" target="_blank">http://aquaponicscommunity.com/photo/new-indoor-winter-resort</a></p>
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<p>goto the photo section on page and search IBC some people have done some good jobs making them look better :)</p> We live in a subdivision and…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-19:4778851:Comment:672242011-03-19T01:23:20.349ZB. Pearcyhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BPearcy
<p>We live in a subdivision and my wife is not in favor of an IBC tank. She thinks it's too industrial looking. I have convinced her we can disguise a 4 feet x 30 inch tall fish tank from Aquatic Ecosystems in Orlando. It's alittle deeper than the 300 gallon Rubbermaid we looked at but the foot print is 2 feet smaller. the next size smaller Rubbermaid is 150 gallons which is on the smallish side for Florida temps. I found a 200 gallon that is deep, which I like.</p>
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<p>We live in a subdivision and my wife is not in favor of an IBC tank. She thinks it's too industrial looking. I have convinced her we can disguise a 4 feet x 30 inch tall fish tank from Aquatic Ecosystems in Orlando. It's alittle deeper than the 300 gallon Rubbermaid we looked at but the foot print is 2 feet smaller. the next size smaller Rubbermaid is 150 gallons which is on the smallish side for Florida temps. I found a 200 gallon that is deep, which I like.</p>
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<p><cite>Burton Rosenberger said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><p>If you go with river rocks make sure they are a PH neutral rock!</p>
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<p>Cant find any IBC in your area or do you already have the fish tank selected?</p>
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