Published Literature On Aquaponics - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T17:36:45Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/published-literature-on-aquaponics?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A332043&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSean,
You most likely broke a…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-15:4778851:Comment:3358082012-05-15T05:09:14.949ZHanleyhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Hanley
<p>Sean,</p>
<p>You most likely broke a number of rules by posting those articles here. Most universities have policies regarding how students are allowed to use their internet and library access, and I would bet this goes against their policies. Also, there are always terms and conditions for access to sites that host academic literature and this is most certainly written out in those terms as something they do not allow.</p>
<p>I am not saying I disagree with what you did and in fact I…</p>
<p>Sean,</p>
<p>You most likely broke a number of rules by posting those articles here. Most universities have policies regarding how students are allowed to use their internet and library access, and I would bet this goes against their policies. Also, there are always terms and conditions for access to sites that host academic literature and this is most certainly written out in those terms as something they do not allow.</p>
<p>I am not saying I disagree with what you did and in fact I strongly encourage the use of the internet to share information. However, the way in which you shared these articles was not very smart and I don't want you or this site to get in trouble. First, don't tell us where you got them - by using your name and university it is as if you are asking to be caught, and being caught would likely mean the loss of your library/research privileges at the least. In fact, you should just say something like "I found these files and thought you might like them." Second, do not attach them directly to the thread because this puts the Aquaponics Community website at risk by hosting potentially illegal files. Instead you should post the files somewhere else and then simply share the link here.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing what you found and I hope you continue to share more articles as you find them, just make sure not to put yourself or the site at risk.</p> I emailed Noga to see if we c…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-15:4778851:Comment:3354242012-05-15T00:19:45.574Zmatthew ferrellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/matthewferrell
<p>I emailed Noga to see if we can resolve your specific issue. </p>
<p>I emailed Noga to see if we can resolve your specific issue. </p> Agreed. 150 US dollars is not…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-14:4778851:Comment:3352362012-05-14T18:11:57.612ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>Agreed. 150 US dollars is not much for a quality book of that nature. I own many books, some of a much more frivolous nature that had cost me quite a deal more.</p>
<p>Problem is, say for someone like me, that in the country that I live in, I cannot use E-bay, Amazon etc..., and the United States banking system will not accept my Visa credit card for <em>any</em> transactions <em>whatsoever</em> due to the country of it's origin. And even if I were to somehow magically transact the $150 for…</p>
<p>Agreed. 150 US dollars is not much for a quality book of that nature. I own many books, some of a much more frivolous nature that had cost me quite a deal more.</p>
<p>Problem is, say for someone like me, that in the country that I live in, I cannot use E-bay, Amazon etc..., and the United States banking system will not accept my Visa credit card for <em>any</em> transactions <em>whatsoever</em> due to the country of it's origin. And even if I were to somehow magically transact the $150 for such a purchase, initial postage, import duties, PDV tax, VAT tax, customs tax then further postage...would make the price closer to $300 USD...but that is all a moot point since I cannot transact the $150 in the first place.</p>
<p>Mr. Noga of course, is not to blame for this. But neither am I.</p>
<p>Yes, intellectual property and the freedom to have access to information (even for the poor...especially for the poor) is quite a complex issue on both sides of the coin. A real conundrum. <br/> <br/> <cite>matthew ferrell said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/published-literature-on-aquaponics?page=2&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A335147&x=1#4778851Comment334896"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Noga's book is worth every penny. Just buy it used and realize that 150 bucks is not very much to pay someone for years of work. <br/> <br/> <cite>Vlad Jovanovic said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/published-literature-on-aquaponics?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A332043&page=2#4778851Comment334409"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Long live the Age of Information. </p>
<p>Mathew, you do realize that just about everything (if in fact not everything) that Sean has linked, is already available on the net... for free...in it's entirety...About as exciting as removing the "Do Not Remove this Tag" tag from your mattress...</p>
<p>Go ahead try it, just Google any of the titles he linked. It's all there already.</p>
<p>Nothing 'special' about any of those links...Now if he could link something like :</p>
<p><em>Fish Disease: Diagnosis and Treatment by Edward J. Noga: Diagnosis and Treatment</em></p>
<p>Now, <em>that</em> would be something mighty fine...</p>
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Thanks Matthew :-)
God…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-14:4778851:Comment:3351472012-05-14T12:30:22.593ZSahib Punjabihttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SahibPunjabi
<p>:-)</p>
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<p>Thanks Matthew :-)</p>
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<p>God bless<br></br> <br></br> <cite>matthew ferrell said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/published-literature-on-aquaponics?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A332043&page=2#4778851Comment334571"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Agreed. And let me point out my position is not to bash you all, but to protect the authors. I wish all information could be free, but then again it cost a lot…</p>
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<p>Thanks Matthew :-)</p>
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<p>God bless<br/> <br/> <cite>matthew ferrell said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/published-literature-on-aquaponics?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A332043&page=2#4778851Comment334571"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Agreed. And let me point out my position is not to bash you all, but to protect the authors. I wish all information could be free, but then again it cost a lot of money to come up with the information that we are talking about. I see where Sean is coming from and he is trying to help. Vlad point is well taken too. But to argue the point, most of Metallica's music is freely available on the internet, yet there are a few well known cases involving that group that points of they are not okay with it. My point in the beginning is that this is a liability that may come back to bite the site. Perhaps it will not be Rackocy that is upset, perhaps it's another paper or book. Also this was pointed out to me very quietly by people associated with/know Dr. Rakocy. I personally have not had the pleasure of shaking his hand yet. I am unsure if they sent word to him, but those who spoke with me said they would be "mad as hell" if someone put their work up like that. I am a little louder than most, so I made the public comments.<br/><br/>I love this site. I only wanted to protect it.</p>
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<p>Noga's book is worth every penny. Just buy it used and realize that 150 bucks is not very much to pay someone for years of work. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Vlad Jovanovic said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/published-literature-on-aquaponics?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A332043&page=2#4778851Comment334409"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Long live the Age of Information. </p>
<p>Mathew, you do realize that just about everything (if…</p>
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<p>Noga's book is worth every penny. Just buy it used and realize that 150 bucks is not very much to pay someone for years of work. <br/> <br/> <cite>Vlad Jovanovic said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/published-literature-on-aquaponics?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A332043&page=2#4778851Comment334409"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Long live the Age of Information. </p>
<p>Mathew, you do realize that just about everything (if in fact not everything) that Sean has linked, is already available on the net... for free...in it's entirety...About as exciting as removing the "Do Not Remove this Tag" tag from your mattress...</p>
<p>Go ahead try it, just Google any of the titles he linked. It's all there already.</p>
<p>Nothing 'special' about any of those links...Now if he could link something like :</p>
<p><em>Fish Disease: Diagnosis and Treatment by Edward J. Noga: Diagnosis and Treatment</em></p>
<p>Now, <em>that</em> would be something mighty fine...</p>
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</blockquote> Sylvia, thanks for seeing thi…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-14:4778851:Comment:3350622012-05-14T11:02:18.661Zmatthew ferrellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/matthewferrell
<p>Sylvia, thanks for seeing this through. You are in a unqiue postion where your were able to see both sides of the coin. Thanks for the leg work and fixing the problem.<br></br><br></br>Sean, I meant no malice to you, I just want to protect those of us who publish for a living. Very few understand how much of our careers are based upon publishing. We have to pay to belong to societies to get published, so at the least those seeking that specific information should be willing to pay to access…</p>
<p>Sylvia, thanks for seeing this through. You are in a unqiue postion where your were able to see both sides of the coin. Thanks for the leg work and fixing the problem.<br/><br/>Sean, I meant no malice to you, I just want to protect those of us who publish for a living. Very few understand how much of our careers are based upon publishing. We have to pay to belong to societies to get published, so at the least those seeking that specific information should be willing to pay to access it.</p> Just heard back from Dr. Rako…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-14:4778851:Comment:3350282012-05-14T03:09:15.767ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
<p>Just heard back from Dr. Rakocy and here is what he said "<span>Hi Sylvia, The copyright to that chapter belongs to Mike Timmons and James Ebeling and I do not believe they would agree to it being passed around on the Internet as a stand alone chapter."</span></p>
<p><span>Based on this I've deleted the PDF of the Aquaponics chapter from the Recirculating Aquaculture book from this site.</span></p>
<p>Just heard back from Dr. Rakocy and here is what he said "<span>Hi Sylvia, The copyright to that chapter belongs to Mike Timmons and James Ebeling and I do not believe they would agree to it being passed around on the Internet as a stand alone chapter."</span></p>
<p><span>Based on this I've deleted the PDF of the Aquaponics chapter from the Recirculating Aquaculture book from this site.</span></p> Matt, I never took offense no…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-14:4778851:Comment:3346922012-05-14T00:46:12.537ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
<p>Matt, I never took offense nor did I think for a moment that you were trying to "bash" me. Rather I took is as you are trying to protect author's right to their intellectual property and for that I am grateful. I'm really torn on this. As an author it would piss me off to no end to have my hard work stolen. But as a huge believer in open source development and online communities I love the availability of information on the net. I think the line should be drawn with permission, and if…</p>
<p>Matt, I never took offense nor did I think for a moment that you were trying to "bash" me. Rather I took is as you are trying to protect author's right to their intellectual property and for that I am grateful. I'm really torn on this. As an author it would piss me off to no end to have my hard work stolen. But as a huge believer in open source development and online communities I love the availability of information on the net. I think the line should be drawn with permission, and if Dr. R. gives his ok then we will keep it up, and if not it goes down. You were right in questioning me, Matt. I honestly didn't put enough thought into my first response and your pushing is getting us to the right solution here. Do you agree?</p> Agreed. And let me point out…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-13:4778851:Comment:3345712012-05-13T23:04:31.502Zmatthew ferrellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/matthewferrell
<p>Agreed. And let me point out my position is not to bash you all, but to protect the authors. I wish all information could be free, but then again it cost a lot of money to come up with the information that we are talking about. I see where Sean is coming from and he is trying to help. Vlad point is well taken too. But to argue the point, most of Metallica's music is freely available on the internet, yet there are a few well known cases involving that group that points of they are not…</p>
<p>Agreed. And let me point out my position is not to bash you all, but to protect the authors. I wish all information could be free, but then again it cost a lot of money to come up with the information that we are talking about. I see where Sean is coming from and he is trying to help. Vlad point is well taken too. But to argue the point, most of Metallica's music is freely available on the internet, yet there are a few well known cases involving that group that points of they are not okay with it. My point in the beginning is that this is a liability that may come back to bite the site. Perhaps it will not be Rackocy that is upset, perhaps it's another paper or book. Also this was pointed out to me very quietly by people associated with/know Dr. Rakocy. I personally have not had the pleasure of shaking his hand yet. I am unsure if they sent word to him, but those who spoke with me said they would be "mad as hell" if someone put their work up like that. I am a little louder than most, so I made the public comments.<br/><br/>I love this site. I only wanted to protect it.</p> Well, it's a conundrum for me…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-13:4778851:Comment:3348082012-05-13T20:11:55.034ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
<p>Well, it's a conundrum for me, Matt. My quick answer to that is that it would, of course, not be ok with me because I didn't give permission for my work to be distributed for free. I actually thought of that case when I posted. I think the best thing to do is to contact Dr. Rakocy, the author, and ask him how he feels about it being posted here. I will do that now...</p>
<p>But in general if there is any question, just ask the author if they are ok with it. Most will say 'yes', as long…</p>
<p>Well, it's a conundrum for me, Matt. My quick answer to that is that it would, of course, not be ok with me because I didn't give permission for my work to be distributed for free. I actually thought of that case when I posted. I think the best thing to do is to contact Dr. Rakocy, the author, and ask him how he feels about it being posted here. I will do that now...</p>
<p>But in general if there is any question, just ask the author if they are ok with it. Most will say 'yes', as long as there is proper attribution.</p>