Plants not doing well at all - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T17:50:03Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/plants-not-doing-well-at-all?feed=yes&xn_auth=noVlad -
Thanks for your though…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-08-10:4778851:Comment:3815922012-08-10T11:21:02.870ZDennis Jayhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DennisJay
<p>Vlad -</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Some good things here to consider. I think you're on to something about false expectations being created from all the hype from people selling AP systems, etc. Forums like this provide a good counter balance to the hype.</p>
<p><br></br> <cite>Vlad Jovanovic said:…</cite></p>
<p>Vlad -</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Some good things here to consider. I think you're on to something about false expectations being created from all the hype from people selling AP systems, etc. Forums like this provide a good counter balance to the hype.</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Vlad Jovanovic said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/plants-not-doing-well-at-all?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A381530&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment381505"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I noticed that some of the leaves in your pics are wet...and the whitish lesions on your peppers look like sun scald/burn and not an essential element deficiency. Wter will act as a magnifying glass for the sun's rays. (Though leaf in the background, it looks the the beginnings of a magnesium deficiency)...</p>
<p>Wet leaves are also prime relestate for like a million different fungal pathogens...</p>
<p>The amount of potassium in MaxiCrop is probably fine for basil, lettuce, etc...but might not be for much else...Buffering with potassium bi-carbonate would probably offer more K than that. Or using a combination of both might be even better.</p>
<p>MAxiCrop/Kelpak/Seasol aren't excactly used because they have a high N-P-K value, quite the opposite really (nor should you be adding a high N-P-K value fertilizer...organic or otherwise). They offer a good amount of micro-nutrients and contain a lot of bio-regulating hormones (mostly Auxins and Cytokinins), but thats about it. But you weren't specific about <em>what</em> seaweed powder, or <em>what</em> seaweed liquid you were adding (that would be helpful), as there are some <em>very</em> divergent products out there.</p>
<p>You'll probably need to satisfy yourself with leafy greens for a while (6 months to a year) or, come up with a good 3 pronged alternating buffer regime (dolomitic lime, a calcium based lime, and potassium bi-carbonate) and/or fish/bacteria safe additions (like Epsom salt)...</p>
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<p>They're seems to be a rash of new aquapons (that part is great), who have this idea that they can get cycled with ammonia, and right away plop in things like tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, eggplants etc...(There's a reason heavy feeding plants are called 'heavy feeders'). I have no idea where those kinds of ideas are coming from (I'm sure they're probably coming from <em>somewhere), </em>but that's not a very realistic approach. Especially for getting things past the seedling or veg stage (in a way that you could even <em>remotely</em> describe as 'plants doing good/great'). </p>
<p>It <em>can</em> be done, but it's gonna take either a bit of an integrated strategy on the part of the operator (i.e cycling with humonia, buffering with carbonate buffering agent that contains potassium and/or magnesium, additions like Epsom salt and so forth) or it's gonna take some <strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">time</span></em></strong> (about a year say) for a system to build up a store of those essential elements through fish effluent. The third option might be... it's gonna take a string of per chance 'lucky coincidences' in the operators environmental set and setting (not likely, but possible).</p>
<p>Dennis, I'm not picking on you (at all) in particular, as they're seem to be lots, and <em>lots</em>, and <em><strong>lots</strong></em> of folks all doing the same types of things, and having the very same types of problems and I'm just curious as to why this would be happening? I'm definitely not picking on you or <em>anyone</em> else. I guess I'm wondering if all the people promoting AP (websites, e-books, videos, whatever) are presenting information in a little bit of a skewd or un-realistic manner, or if folks are choosing to gloss over and not take heed to pesky details like "...it takes <em>time</em> for an AP system to <em>mature, </em>or it will take a bit of a more involved approach to grow heavy feeders/non-leafy greens right off the bat..." when they read/hear them from those that are 'selling the dream'...? Maybe a combination of both? IDK</p>
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</blockquote> It also looks like you need t…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-08-09:4778851:Comment:3815302012-08-09T16:23:17.495ZRussell Hopperhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RussellHopper
<p>It also looks like you need to supplement with some iron.</p>
<p>It also looks like you need to supplement with some iron.</p> You might also try adding mor…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-08-09:4778851:Comment:3812872012-08-09T16:22:14.670ZRussell Hopperhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RussellHopper
<p>You might also try adding more oxygen. Fish will use up most the oxygen in a system. for a better desription see my video on youtube on this subject. Plants don't need oxygen as much as fish, but they do still require some. <a href="http://youtu.be/3NZiNo0_TtM" target="_blank">http://youtu.be/3NZiNo0_TtM</a></p>
<p>You might also try adding more oxygen. Fish will use up most the oxygen in a system. for a better desription see my video on youtube on this subject. Plants don't need oxygen as much as fish, but they do still require some. <a href="http://youtu.be/3NZiNo0_TtM" target="_blank">http://youtu.be/3NZiNo0_TtM</a></p> +1 Vlad..
another thing to co…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-08-09:4778851:Comment:3812742012-08-09T13:16:07.307ZKeith Rowanhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/KeithRowan
<p>+1 Vlad..</p>
<p>another thing to consider is what are you feeding the fish? a high quality fish feed (appropriate for your fish) is one of the most important elements to establishing a healthy and productive ap system</p>
<p>+1 Vlad..</p>
<p>another thing to consider is what are you feeding the fish? a high quality fish feed (appropriate for your fish) is one of the most important elements to establishing a healthy and productive ap system</p> I noticed that some of the le…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-08-09:4778851:Comment:3815052012-08-09T07:20:39.567ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>I noticed that some of the leaves in your pics are wet...and the whitish lesions on your peppers look like sun scald/burn and not an essential element deficiency. Wter will act as a magnifying glass for the sun's rays. (Though leaf in the background, it looks the the beginnings of a magnesium deficiency)...</p>
<p>Wet leaves are also prime relestate for like a million different fungal pathogens...</p>
<p>The amount of potassium in MaxiCrop is probably fine for basil, lettuce, etc...but might…</p>
<p>I noticed that some of the leaves in your pics are wet...and the whitish lesions on your peppers look like sun scald/burn and not an essential element deficiency. Wter will act as a magnifying glass for the sun's rays. (Though leaf in the background, it looks the the beginnings of a magnesium deficiency)...</p>
<p>Wet leaves are also prime relestate for like a million different fungal pathogens...</p>
<p>The amount of potassium in MaxiCrop is probably fine for basil, lettuce, etc...but might not be for much else...Buffering with potassium bi-carbonate would probably offer more K than that. Or using a combination of both might be even better.</p>
<p>MAxiCrop/Kelpak/Seasol aren't excactly used because they have a high N-P-K value, quite the opposite really (nor should you be adding a high N-P-K value fertilizer...organic or otherwise). They offer a good amount of micro-nutrients and contain a lot of bio-regulating hormones (mostly Auxins and Cytokinins), but thats about it. But you weren't specific about <em>what</em> seaweed powder, or <em>what</em> seaweed liquid you were adding (that would be helpful), as there are some <em>very</em> divergent products out there.</p>
<p>You'll probably need to satisfy yourself with leafy greens for a while (6 months to a year) or, come up with a good 3 pronged alternating buffer regime (dolomitic lime, a calcium based lime, and potassium bi-carbonate) and/or fish/bacteria safe additions (like Epsom salt)...</p>
<p></p>
<p>They're seems to be a rash of new aquapons (that part is great), who have this idea that they can get cycled with ammonia, and right away plop in things like tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, eggplants etc...(There's a reason heavy feeding plants are called 'heavy feeders'). I have no idea where those kinds of ideas are coming from (I'm sure they're probably coming from <em>somewhere), </em>but that's not a very realistic approach. Especially for getting things past the seedling or veg stage (in a way that you could even <em>remotely</em> describe as 'plants doing good/great'). </p>
<p>It <em>can</em> be done, but it's gonna take either a bit of an integrated strategy on the part of the operator (i.e cycling with humonia, buffering with carbonate buffering agent that contains potassium and/or magnesium, additions like Epsom salt and so forth) or it's gonna take some <strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">time</span></em></strong> (about a year say) for a system to build up a store of those essential elements through fish effluent. The third option might be... it's gonna take a string of per chance 'lucky coincidences' in the operators environmental set and setting (not likely, but possible).</p>
<p>Dennis, I'm not picking on you (at all) in particular, as they're seem to be lots, and <em>lots</em>, and <em><strong>lots</strong></em> of folks all doing the same types of things, and having the very same types of problems and I'm just curious as to why this would be happening? I'm definitely not picking on you or <em>anyone</em> else. I guess I'm wondering if all the people promoting AP (websites, e-books, videos, whatever) are presenting information in a little bit of a skewd or un-realistic manner, or if folks are choosing to gloss over and not take heed to pesky details like "...it takes <em>time</em> for an AP system to <em>mature, </em>or it will take a bit of a more involved approach to grow heavy feeders/non-leafy greens right off the bat..." when they read/hear them from those that are 'selling the dream'...? Maybe a combination of both? IDK</p>
<p></p> Jonathan - Thanks for the rep…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-08-09:4778851:Comment:3814482012-08-09T01:57:19.084ZDennis Jayhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DennisJay
<p>Jonathan - Thanks for the reply — and for the nifty leaf illustration.</p>
<p>Jonathan - Thanks for the reply — and for the nifty leaf illustration.</p> Your system is very young and…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-08-08:4778851:Comment:3811882012-08-08T23:46:25.698ZJonathan Kadish NYC AA Chairhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonathanKadish
<p>Your system is very young and life is complicated ;) Have patience and don't expect mother nature to be controlled so easily. It will take some time for your system to mature and the nutrient profile to become what the plants need. You have to learn to read your plants to see what they need.…</p>
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<p>Your system is very young and life is complicated ;) Have patience and don't expect mother nature to be controlled so easily. It will take some time for your system to mature and the nutrient profile to become what the plants need. You have to learn to read your plants to see what they need.</p>
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