Piping - to PVC or not to PVC? That is the question... - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T20:42:15Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/piping-to-pvc-or-not-to-pvc?feed=yes&xn_auth=noIs there any metal pipe that…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2015-02-01:4778851:Comment:5950852015-02-01T21:31:52.538ZTim Radcliffhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TimRadcliff
<p>Is there any metal pipe that is safe? Aluminum? I was thinking about running water through a radiator positioned over a stove to heat the water. Or running PEX through some sort of geothermal mass heater. Does anybody have any experience with these?</p>
<p>Is there any metal pipe that is safe? Aluminum? I was thinking about running water through a radiator positioned over a stove to heat the water. Or running PEX through some sort of geothermal mass heater. Does anybody have any experience with these?</p> There is a difference between…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-04-18:4778851:Comment:4639682013-04-18T01:30:54.505ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>There is a difference between the rigid PVC pipes and the flexible PVC which many people call vinyl However PVC stands for polyvinylchloride it is all pvc or vinyl. It is the flexible stuff that contains the questionable plasticizers. Be cautious of the flexible PVC or vinyl and do your extra research there since some of the flexible vinyl has lots of extra stuff added (like some of those pool liners even have algicide in them that is meant to leach out and help keep the pool from turning…</p>
<p>There is a difference between the rigid PVC pipes and the flexible PVC which many people call vinyl However PVC stands for polyvinylchloride it is all pvc or vinyl. It is the flexible stuff that contains the questionable plasticizers. Be cautious of the flexible PVC or vinyl and do your extra research there since some of the flexible vinyl has lots of extra stuff added (like some of those pool liners even have algicide in them that is meant to leach out and help keep the pool from turning green, that kind of stuff would be really bad to use for aquaponics.)</p> http://www.care2.com/greenliv…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-04-18:4778851:Comment:4640432013-04-18T00:39:41.253Zkevin swordshttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/kevinswords
<p><a href="http://www.care2.com/greenliving/which-plastics-are-safe.html#13662041515341&action=collapse_widget&id=6587840" target="_blank">http://www.care2.com/greenliving/which-plastics-are-safe.html#13662041515341&action=collapse_widget&id=6587840</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.care2.com/greenliving/which-plastics-are-safe.html#13662041515341&action=collapse_widget&id=6587840" target="_blank">http://www.care2.com/greenliving/which-plastics-are-safe.html#13662041515341&action=collapse_widget&id=6587840</a></p> PVCvsHDPEvsBPA VS VS VS I th…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-04-17:4778851:Comment:4641152013-04-17T23:16:22.530ZBob Terrellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BobTerrell
<p>PVCvsHDPEvsBPA VS VS VS I think some people loose sight of what they really should be worrying about. We talk so much about what we move our water IN and don't discuss much what is IN our water. For example Flouride (sic?) is an insecticide but we let them put it in our water and smile when they do it. hmmmmmmmm</p>
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<p>PVCvsHDPEvsBPA VS VS VS I think some people loose sight of what they really should be worrying about. We talk so much about what we move our water IN and don't discuss much what is IN our water. For example Flouride (sic?) is an insecticide but we let them put it in our water and smile when they do it. hmmmmmmmm</p>
<p></p> I'm fairly certain vinyl is m…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-04-17:4778851:Comment:4641122013-04-17T23:08:40.760ZDan McGuirehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DanMcGuire
<p>I'm fairly certain vinyl is much worse than PVC and I think some people say PVC 'MIGHT' leak BPA, but that's the thing. BPA isn't even necessarily bad. The studies aren't very conclusive on either side. It's never a bad idea to err on the side of caution, but I certainly wouldn't think it's worth moving from PVC pipe to something much more expensive. City water runs on PVC, so there's no way around it for most people even if it is bad and it certainly isn't extremely dangerous or the…</p>
<p>I'm fairly certain vinyl is much worse than PVC and I think some people say PVC 'MIGHT' leak BPA, but that's the thing. BPA isn't even necessarily bad. The studies aren't very conclusive on either side. It's never a bad idea to err on the side of caution, but I certainly wouldn't think it's worth moving from PVC pipe to something much more expensive. City water runs on PVC, so there's no way around it for most people even if it is bad and it certainly isn't extremely dangerous or the studies would catch that easily.</p> u can get hdpe fittings but t…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-04-17:4778851:Comment:4641072013-04-17T21:11:55.902Zkevin swordshttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/kevinswords
<p>u can get hdpe fittings but to get the pipe they want you to buy a mile of it </p>
<p><a href="http://www.hdpesupply.com" target="_blank">www.hdpesupply.com</a><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Rick Op said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/piping-to-pvc-or-not-to-pvc#4778851Comment28459"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I second TCLynx in PVC manufacture being a primary concern. With an additional footnote that this goes for its eventual disposal too -…</p>
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<p>u can get hdpe fittings but to get the pipe they want you to buy a mile of it </p>
<p><a href="http://www.hdpesupply.com" target="_blank">www.hdpesupply.com</a><br/> <br/> <cite>Rick Op said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/piping-to-pvc-or-not-to-pvc#4778851Comment28459"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I second TCLynx in PVC manufacture being a primary concern. With an additional footnote that this goes for its eventual disposal too - quite the nightmare!</p>
<p>In between its birth and demise, using it to transport my water, I am not sweating it. With another footnote here that high exposure to sunlight can eventually compromise it.</p>
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<p>Which is why I am trying to use HDPE irrigation pipe where possible, where the fittings don't pose a solids buildup issue, and especially where a long run of it is exposed to sun a lot of the time. (It's even kind of fun to work with, pruners can cut it)</p>
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<p>But PVC is frankly unavoidable in drain fittings, siphons, etc. and as for environmental impact, I apply the same philosophy as with concrete (for the same reasons) - re-use to minimize need for purchase and disposal.</p>
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<p>My 2cents - worth price charged!</p>
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</blockquote> This is the only pipe I have…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-08-24:4778851:Comment:3860192012-08-24T04:57:56.635ZMikehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Mike28
<p>This is the only pipe I have found that claims to be better than all the other options. The only problem is, currently I don't think the pipe and welding tools are available to the DIY crowd.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.aquatherm.com/ecolocy">http://www.aquatherm.com/ecolocy</a></p>
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<p>This is the only pipe I have found that claims to be better than all the other options. The only problem is, currently I don't think the pipe and welding tools are available to the DIY crowd.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.aquatherm.com/ecolocy">http://www.aquatherm.com/ecolocy</a></p>
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<p></p> I expect it will be far easie…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-08-11:4778851:Comment:3819512012-08-11T02:28:18.265ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>I expect it will be far easier to get "panda" pipe made of just polyethylene, they already make hdpe pipes in all sorts of colors and black/white should be fairly easy. The liner I'm using for my tower troughs is white, black, white Polyethylene. </p>
<p>I expect it will be far easier to get "panda" pipe made of just polyethylene, they already make hdpe pipes in all sorts of colors and black/white should be fairly easy. The liner I'm using for my tower troughs is white, black, white Polyethylene. </p> OK TC, I concur. Maybe PVC is…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-08-10:4778851:Comment:3819102012-08-10T16:36:24.301ZCarey Mahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/CareyMa
<p>OK TC, I concur. Maybe PVC isn't the best choice or most particle but the reason I thought I a good idea is mostly due to the cost factor. However I still say the "Panda" effect (white on the outside & black on the inside) is worth mentioning. Either way, it still takes critical mass for manufacturers to make what we need. Thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>OK TC, I concur. Maybe PVC isn't the best choice or most particle but the reason I thought I a good idea is mostly due to the cost factor. However I still say the "Panda" effect (white on the outside & black on the inside) is worth mentioning. Either way, it still takes critical mass for manufacturers to make what we need. Thanks for your comment.</p> Carey? Why not simply use HD…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-07-27:4778851:Comment:3761112012-07-27T12:38:23.302ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Carey? Why not simply use HDPE pipe then?</p>
<p>With all the problems associated with PVC manufacture and I'm not sure the two different plastics are really compatible for "fuzing them together or laminating them." You can't glue or use solvent cement with HDPE. HDPE requires either heat welding or compression fittings which is probably a primary reason that people tend to choose PVC ok well that and the cost.</p>
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<p>Carey? Why not simply use HDPE pipe then?</p>
<p>With all the problems associated with PVC manufacture and I'm not sure the two different plastics are really compatible for "fuzing them together or laminating them." You can't glue or use solvent cement with HDPE. HDPE requires either heat welding or compression fittings which is probably a primary reason that people tend to choose PVC ok well that and the cost.</p>
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<p>But I expect and HDPE or one of the other formulations could be made to block light and survive longer in the sun (most HDPE pipe people are used to using is already black) the biggest trick is to find the pipe and appropriate fittings in the sizes needed for aquaponics and within the budget. </p>