ph down? - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T07:38:38Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/ph-down?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A138314&feed=yes&xn_auth=nothanks, i use muriatic too.tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-07-31:4778851:Comment:3779632012-07-31T18:29:28.838Zlitanohttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/litano
<p>thanks, i use muriatic too.</p>
<p>thanks, i use muriatic too.</p> I did a little experiment wit…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-07-31:4778851:Comment:3778782012-07-31T17:43:56.289ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
I did a little experiment with humic acid granules, dry grit that looks like course coffe grounds. I added a handful to one small bed (half barrel over 55 gal aquarium). I have several such systems that I do not manipulate the pH on, as they are breeding tanks and plant performance is of minor concern. My well water oddly seems to fluctuate between 7 and 8.2, much more commonly 8.2 than 7. And the AP tanks seem to chase the well water in pH, usually hovering in the high 7's. Anyway, the system…
I did a little experiment with humic acid granules, dry grit that looks like course coffe grounds. I added a handful to one small bed (half barrel over 55 gal aquarium). I have several such systems that I do not manipulate the pH on, as they are breeding tanks and plant performance is of minor concern. My well water oddly seems to fluctuate between 7 and 8.2, much more commonly 8.2 than 7. And the AP tanks seem to chase the well water in pH, usually hovering in the high 7's. Anyway, the system with the added humic acid stays below 7, specifically not lower than 6.4 or higher than 6.9, and that was from one handful two months ago. Perhaps the humic acids buffer the AP to our desired range?<br/>
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Cheapest acid? Muriatic (Hydrochloric), unless you live near a golf course and you can sneak over and steal battery acid from the carts :) MY WIFE has busted me more th…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-07-29:4778851:Comment:3770432012-07-29T04:47:43.147Zlitanohttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/litano
<p>MY WIFE has busted me more than a dozen times just starring at my bell siphons going off when I first started. thanks, I will friend you..</p>
<p>MY WIFE has busted me more than a dozen times just starring at my bell siphons going off when I first started. thanks, I will friend you..</p> Hi Litano:
Sorry no video, i…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-07-29:4778851:Comment:3768132012-07-29T03:34:09.607ZJim Troyerhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimTroyer
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<p>Sorry no video, it would be pretty boring watching water rise 6" over 20 minutes and then over flow a stand pipe for another 10 minutes. I'll post a picture after it stops raining(?) in the desert...</p>
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<p>I friended you, check your in box</p>
<p>Hi Litano:</p>
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<p>Sorry no video, it would be pretty boring watching water rise 6" over 20 minutes and then over flow a stand pipe for another 10 minutes. I'll post a picture after it stops raining(?) in the desert...</p>
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<p>I friended you, check your in box</p> Yes the pictures in the gloss…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-07-28:4778851:Comment:3765402012-07-28T12:45:14.017ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Yes the pictures in the glossary are good.</p>
<p>Main difference between standard flood and drain and ebb and flow is that in standard flood and drain you do not let the water from the bed backwash through the pump and therefore the solids pumped up into the grow bed tend to stay there a little better and you generally get to have the water enter the bed in a different location from where it drains back out. In ebb and flow the water has to drain back down through the pump. </p>
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<p>Yes the pictures in the glossary are good.</p>
<p>Main difference between standard flood and drain and ebb and flow is that in standard flood and drain you do not let the water from the bed backwash through the pump and therefore the solids pumped up into the grow bed tend to stay there a little better and you generally get to have the water enter the bed in a different location from where it drains back out. In ebb and flow the water has to drain back down through the pump. </p>
<p>Flood and drain can further be broken down into two different categories, timed flood and drain with a stand pipe with holes and a timer or siphon flood and drain where the pump runs constant and the bed drains via siphon of some sort.</p>
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<p>To switch to constant flood (constant flow/constant flood if you want to be particular about it and I usually am) it is easiest to do with bell siphons by simply removing the bells or with timed flood and drain by just leaving the pump on constantly. I suppose you could do it with ebb and flow so long as the overflow on the ebb and flow set up was really good so as not to allow a real overflow or let the top of the media get wet, just run the pump constant there as well.</p> http://community.theaquaponic…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-07-28:4778851:Comment:3766292012-07-28T12:07:27.230ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p><a href="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com//page/aquaponics-glossary-of-terms">http://community.theaquaponicsource.com//page/aquaponics-glossary-of-terms</a></p>
<p>here's an explanation with diagrams...<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Lee Scott said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/ph-down?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A138413&page=3#4778851Comment376379"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>What is the difference between the…</p>
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<p>here's an explanation with diagrams...<br/> <br/> <cite>Lee Scott said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/ph-down?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A138413&page=3#4778851Comment376379"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>What is the difference between the two?<br/>Seems some AP sites use them interchangeably.</p>
<p>They seem similar in function. Is the difference the timer and bell?<br/> <br/> <cite>RupertofOZ said:</cite></p>
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</blockquote> What is the difference betwee…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-07-28:4778851:Comment:3763792012-07-28T11:57:29.166ZLee Scotthttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/LeeScott
<p>What is the difference between the two?<br/>Seems some AP sites use them interchangeably.</p>
<p>They seem similar in function. Is the difference the timer and bell?<br/> <br/> <cite>RupertofOZ said:</cite></p>
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<p>What is the difference between the two?<br/>Seems some AP sites use them interchangeably.</p>
<p>They seem similar in function. Is the difference the timer and bell?<br/> <br/> <cite>RupertofOZ said:</cite></p>
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</blockquote> Hey, thanks for the offer. Do…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-07-28:4778851:Comment:3765382012-07-28T11:30:14.790Zlitanohttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/litano
<p>Hey, thanks for the offer. Do you have videos of your systems? I will tell my friend in Cottonwood of your kind offer. How do I friend you? <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jim Troyer said:</cite></p>
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<p>I'm in the Phoenix metro area, a little burg called Scottsdale. Your…</p>
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<p>Hey, thanks for the offer. Do you have videos of your systems? I will tell my friend in Cottonwood of your kind offer. How do I friend you? <br/> <br/> <cite>Jim Troyer said:</cite></p>
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<p>Hi Litano:</p>
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<p>I'm in the Phoenix metro area, a little burg called Scottsdale. Your friend is welcome to come check my system out. Cottonwood is in a big, deep river valley near the beautiful red rocks of Sedona. It is a nice place to live climate wise, just about snows and gets hot enough to know it's hot; it will be great for aquaponics. An acquaintance of mine owns their water supply company. Friend me and I'll send my contact info for your buddy.</p>
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<p>I have turned my 4x8 raft bed into a bastard system at best. I have two standpipes, one about 2.5" high, it sets the minimum depth and the other about is 8" high and is about the max depth. The pump runs about 30 minutes per cycle, it takes about 20 minutes to fill to 8". So the max depth is seen for about 10 minutes per cycle. I run the pump every hour during daylight hours and every three hours in the dark this time of year. I change the dark hours cycle times in the winter when the high temps are below 75f (brr) to completely off overnight as I heat the pond water by circulating it in a solar collector all day; DO2 never seems to be an issue. I don't use rafts anymore. I have everything growing in cut off 2 liter soda bottles filled with media. The water flows in and out through 1/4 holes near the base of the pot. Mosquito fish and duckweed fill in the spaces nicely. Different but it works well, very easy to plant, maintain and harvest, just pull the plant out and work with the pot on the planting bench and put it back. </p>
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<p>tell your friend I know several people with "standard" AP systems and know of an AP class in Tempe every couple of months, next date is coming up soon.</p>
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<p>The best part about AP is ...There are no rules! <a rel="nofollow" style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></a></p>
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<p>all the best,</p>
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I'm in the Phoen…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-07-28:4778851:Comment:3763732012-07-28T06:51:27.938ZJim Troyerhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimTroyer
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<p>Hi Litano:</p>
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<p>I'm in the Phoenix metro area, a little burg called Scottsdale. Your friend is welcome to come check my system out. Cottonwood is in a big, deep river valley near the beautiful red rocks of Sedona. It is a nice place to live climate wise, just about snows and gets hot enough to know it's hot; it will be great for aquaponics. An acquaintance of mine owns their water supply company. Friend me and I'll send my contact info for your…</p>
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<p>Hi Litano:</p>
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<p>I'm in the Phoenix metro area, a little burg called Scottsdale. Your friend is welcome to come check my system out. Cottonwood is in a big, deep river valley near the beautiful red rocks of Sedona. It is a nice place to live climate wise, just about snows and gets hot enough to know it's hot; it will be great for aquaponics. An acquaintance of mine owns their water supply company. Friend me and I'll send my contact info for your buddy.</p>
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<p>Bell siphon...</p>
<p>I have turned my 4x8 raft bed into a bastard system at best. I have two standpipes, one about 2.5" high, it sets the minimum depth and the other about is 8" high and is about the max depth. The pump runs about 30 minutes per cycle, it takes about 20 minutes to fill to 8". So the max depth is seen for about 10 minutes per cycle. I run the pump every hour during daylight hours and every three hours in the dark this time of year. I change the dark hours cycle times in the winter when the high temps are below 75f (brr) to completely off overnight as I heat the pond water by circulating it in a solar collector all day; DO2 never seems to be an issue. I don't use rafts anymore. I have everything growing in cut off 2 liter soda bottles filled with media. The water flows in and out through 1/4 holes near the base of the pot. Mosquito fish and duckweed fill in the spaces nicely. Different but it works well, very easy to plant, maintain and harvest, just pull the plant out and work with the pot on the planting bench and put it back. </p>
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<p>tell your friend I know several people with "standard" AP systems and know of an AP class in Tempe every couple of months, next date is coming up soon.</p>
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<p>The best part about AP is ...There are no rules! <a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></a></p>
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<p>all the best,</p>
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<p>Jim</p> OPPS. YES, FLOOD AND DRAIN. I…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-07-28:4778851:Comment:3766132012-07-28T06:33:16.979Zlitanohttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/litano
<p>OPPS. YES, FLOOD AND DRAIN. I may try leaving one of the five grow beds without the bell, maybe the one with lettuce. thanks..</p>
<p>OPPS. YES, FLOOD AND DRAIN. I may try leaving one of the five grow beds without the bell, maybe the one with lettuce. thanks..</p>