Permaculture aquaculture vs aquaponics

[rnbowarrior]

Great post, I resonate with his comments.
http://www.richsoil.com/permaculture/1325-120-aquaculture-and-aquap...

[Burton]

Been listening to his podcast for a week now ... it has a TON of information

[RupertofOZ]

I don't.... I guess mainly because as he and the presenter says... "they really don't know much about it... I'm an ignorant blob"...

 

Pity he hasn't actually investigated it more thoroughly.... aquaponics might not be totally comparable to soil based permaculture... but many of the very principles he expouses... are contained within aquaponics...

 

And if he actually realised that... he might actually have a different opinion....

 

 

He himself talks about building "trout ponds"... the only difference in the end.. is a matter fo how inntensive it is...

 

Now as far as the fish are concerned... yes a natural pond/dam system with natural feeds... is low intensity...

 

But I just can't fathom the difference between intensively growing vegetables by permaculture.. and aquaponics... the fertilisation principles are essentially the same... perhaps just from a different source... fish...

[rnbowarrior]

Well saidI think often over looked in aquaponics is the consumption of natural resources. Electrical energy, valves, piping, containers, greenhouses, etc...
In permaculture we don't see that a much perhaps in use of tractors or equipment. Most things are repurposed or built naturally.
Tlazocamatli ometeot.

RupertofOZ said:

I don't.... I guess mainly because as he and the presenter says... "they really don't know much about it... I'm an ignorant blob"...

 

Pity he hasn't actually investigated it more thoroughly.... aquaponics might not be totally comparable to soil based permaculture... but many of the very principles he expouses... are contained within aquaponics...

 

And if he actually realised that... he might actually have a different opinion....

 

 

He himself talks about building "trout ponds"... the only difference in the end.. is a matter fo how inntensive it is...

 

Now as far as the fish are concerned... yes a natural pond/dam system with natural feeds... is low intensity...

 

But I just can't fathom the difference between intensively growing vegetables by permaculture.. and aquaponics... the fertilisation principles are essentially the same... perhaps just from a different source... fish...

[Burton]

The key thing here is Permaculture will never be aquaculture or aquaponics. Permaculture involves setting up 'systems' to be self sustaining. 

This means creating an environment, literally, where one system feeds into another system and closes a loop where you can literally walk away from 30 years and come back and everything will still be feeding into each other.  This is why Paul Wheaton things aquaculture and aquaponics can never be permaculture.

I think episode 005 he talks about this a bit as well (started on 001 last week and been working through them).

What is interesting is how permaculture can be applied to aquaponics when it comes to planting items next to each other so they complement each others needs. So far that is what I have pulled from permaculture research. Then other than that 'closing' the loop on the system so the food you grow feeds the fish which we are getting close to doing but have not reached yet. Then stocking in lower densities and eating more of the plants and less of the fish. Oh and adding items to the FT to supply a more natural environment and to act as heat stabilizers. 

Huglekulture is interesting too and if I ever get property it will be sure to have some huglekulture beds on it ^_^ 

Permaculture is all about minimizing human involvement and relying on nature from what I can understand so far.  

[RupertofOZ]

Oh, agreed that permaculture principles , and philosophies... can be applied in conjunction with AP....