Natural swimming pool - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T15:37:14Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/natural-swimming-pool?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A194737&feed=yes&xn_auth=noJon, how did things turn out?…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-04-16:4778851:Comment:5584462014-04-16T19:45:59.894ZKim Romenhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/KimRomen
<p>Jon, how did things turn out? did u ever put in your pool? thinking about doing it here in Phoenix, but seems like quite an undertaken in the desert.</p>
<p>Jon, how did things turn out? did u ever put in your pool? thinking about doing it here in Phoenix, but seems like quite an undertaken in the desert.</p> Im on the same page as you no…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-08-29:4778851:Comment:1992022011-08-29T03:27:27.819ZDavid Waitehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DavidWaite
<p>Im on the same page as you now Jon. Pumping spent fuel to algae is a great concept. I am looking at rocket mass heaters for my greenhouse in the future. Cant use the exhaust though. Too much soot over time.</p>
<p> <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jon Parr said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/natural-swimming-pool?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A194830&page=2#4778851Comment198653"><div>Thanks David, you're spot on with that, sorry if confused the…</div>
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<p>Im on the same page as you now Jon. Pumping spent fuel to algae is a great concept. I am looking at rocket mass heaters for my greenhouse in the future. Cant use the exhaust though. Too much soot over time.</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/natural-swimming-pool?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A194830&page=2#4778851Comment198653"><div>Thanks David, you're spot on with that, sorry if confused the subject. I never suggested pumping CO2 into aquaculture tanks, but rather spirulina tanks. CO2 is very commonly pulped into aquarium water, though, to boost plant growth in heavily planted tanks, and saltwater reef tanks. It is regulated by an electronic pH meter, and is very effective at holding pH to an exact number. Also, a spirulina tank would not be circulated with the fish tank, as the pH is very different. In aquariums where CO2 is added, it does not hurt the fish or displace the oxygen, because is is added on a very controlled basis during photosynthesis, at which time the plants are pumping off O2 simultaneously. I have looked at some websites featuring "aquascaping". Very very cool, and virtually all of them pump CO2 into the water. TC, I'm way too cheap to buy bottles of CO2. I would never brought it up, except it is a great use of free engine exhaust. In a warm, properly tuned, fixed RPM, fuel injected engine; the exhaust is very clean, and contains a lot of CO2, and water. In fact, there is more water weight liberated from burning fuel than the weight of fuel burned. Heating my swimming pool with exhaust heat will also cool it enough to condense water, which will help offset pool evaporation as well. Even though I'm too cheap to buy CO2 in bottles for plant growth enhancement, there is a line of "medicinal" growers every day at every hydro shop in town, refilling CO2 bottles. Worth it or not for veggie growers, it is effective. I have a buddy who put a T in his hot water heater exhaust vent, piped to his greenhouse. It is very low-tech. When the ventilation fan kicks on, and the water heater is burning, it draws CO2 rich air into the greenhouse, with noticeable improvement in growth. A carbon monoxide alarm keeps it all safe, and he floods the room with fresh air before he enters. CO2 has another advantage that most don't think about. If levels are brought very high in a sealed grow room for several hours, I think 10,000 ppm but I'd have to double check, then pest are killed. All of them. Suffocated. Spider mites, leaf miners, fungus gnats, all dead, and plants thrive, as long as there is adequate light during such time. Careful though, it will kill composting worms, pets, and you if youre in there. </div>
</blockquote> Good points there Jon Gotta…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-08-29:4778851:Comment:1989162011-08-29T01:43:18.451ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
Good points there Jon<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/> Gotta love when you can use what would otherwise have been a waste to advantage.<br/></a>
Good points there Jon<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/> Gotta love when you can use what would otherwise have been a waste to advantage.<br/></a> Thanks David, you're spot on…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-08-29:4778851:Comment:1986532011-08-29T01:17:36.342ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
Thanks David, you're spot on with that, sorry if confused the subject. I never suggested pumping CO2 into aquaculture tanks, but rather spirulina tanks. CO2 is very commonly pulped into aquarium water, though, to boost plant growth in heavily planted tanks, and saltwater reef tanks. It is regulated by an electronic pH meter, and is very effective at holding pH to an exact number. Also, a spirulina tank would not be circulated with the fish tank, as the pH is very different. In aquariums where…
Thanks David, you're spot on with that, sorry if confused the subject. I never suggested pumping CO2 into aquaculture tanks, but rather spirulina tanks. CO2 is very commonly pulped into aquarium water, though, to boost plant growth in heavily planted tanks, and saltwater reef tanks. It is regulated by an electronic pH meter, and is very effective at holding pH to an exact number. Also, a spirulina tank would not be circulated with the fish tank, as the pH is very different. In aquariums where CO2 is added, it does not hurt the fish or displace the oxygen, because is is added on a very controlled basis during photosynthesis, at which time the plants are pumping off O2 simultaneously. I have looked at some websites featuring "aquascaping". Very very cool, and virtually all of them pump CO2 into the water. TC, I'm way too cheap to buy bottles of CO2. I would never brought it up, except it is a great use of free engine exhaust. In a warm, properly tuned, fixed RPM, fuel injected engine; the exhaust is very clean, and contains a lot of CO2, and water. In fact, there is more water weight liberated from burning fuel than the weight of fuel burned. Heating my swimming pool with exhaust heat will also cool it enough to condense water, which will help offset pool evaporation as well. Even though I'm too cheap to buy CO2 in bottles for plant growth enhancement, there is a line of "medicinal" growers every day at every hydro shop in town, refilling CO2 bottles. Worth it or not for veggie growers, it is effective. I have a buddy who put a T in his hot water heater exhaust vent, piped to his greenhouse. It is very low-tech. When the ventilation fan kicks on, and the water heater is burning, it draws CO2 rich air into the greenhouse, with noticeable improvement in growth. A carbon monoxide alarm keeps it all safe, and he floods the room with fresh air before he enters. CO2 has another advantage that most don't think about. If levels are brought very high in a sealed grow room for several hours, I think 10,000 ppm but I'd have to double check, then pest are killed. All of them. Suffocated. Spider mites, leaf miners, fungus gnats, all dead, and plants thrive, as long as there is adequate light during such time. Careful though, it will kill composting worms, pets, and you if youre in there. I've known of only one person…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-08-28:4778851:Comment:1986382011-08-28T23:27:51.028ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
I've known of only one person who pumped CO2 into their system in an attempt to lower pH due to their media affecting system pH. I don't recall them killing their fish but it was a small system and probably not highly stocked. Just seemed rather costly to me to bubble bottled CO2 into the water when it would also not be all that good for the fish and the extra liberated calcium would probably also affect the potassium availability.
I've known of only one person who pumped CO2 into their system in an attempt to lower pH due to their media affecting system pH. I don't recall them killing their fish but it was a small system and probably not highly stocked. Just seemed rather costly to me to bubble bottled CO2 into the water when it would also not be all that good for the fish and the extra liberated calcium would probably also affect the potassium availability. I know of no aquaculture oper…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-08-28:4778851:Comment:1982372011-08-28T17:27:05.773ZDavid Waitehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DavidWaite
I know of no aquaculture operation that pumps CO2 into the water. Kind of defeats the purpose of pumping air into the water column. The CO2 will have to displace something. That something is Oxygen and other gases. It isnt concievable that you could pump enough CO2 in the water to drop ph and not effect oxygen levels and suffocate fish.<br></br>
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I know of no aquaculture operation that pumps CO2 into the water. Kind of defeats the purpose of pumping air into the water column. The CO2 will have to displace something. That something is Oxygen and other gases. It isnt concievable that you could pump enough CO2 in the water to drop ph and not effect oxygen levels and suffocate fish.<br/>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/natural-swimming-pool?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A198224&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment197013"><div>My bad. CO2 + H2O = carbonic acid, right? Thanks for setting me straight, TC<br/><br/><cite>TCLynx said:</cite><blockquote><div>Pumping CO2 into tanks will lower the pH not raise it.</div>
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</blockquote> Take a look at Wayne Keith wo…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-08-28:4778851:Comment:1982242011-08-28T13:13:12.057ZGeorgehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Geoge
Take a look at Wayne Keith woodgas videos on youtube. Running a heater on woodgas should be no problem if you have a wood supply. 5000 miles per cord of wood = 1 cent per mile were his numbers I think, assuming you would buy wood, which Mr. Keith does not.<br></br>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/natural-swimming-pool?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A194830&page=2#4778851Comment196924"><div> So far it's all talk, but I plan to use a wood…</div>
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Take a look at Wayne Keith woodgas videos on youtube. Running a heater on woodgas should be no problem if you have a wood supply. 5000 miles per cord of wood = 1 cent per mile were his numbers I think, assuming you would buy wood, which Mr. Keith does not.<br/>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/natural-swimming-pool?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A194830&page=2#4778851Comment196924"><div> So far it's all talk, but I plan to use a wood gasifying electrical generator.</div>
</blockquote> But this can be useful none t…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-08-27:4778851:Comment:1963862011-08-27T02:19:53.538ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
But this can be useful none the less<br></br>
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<cite>Jon Parr said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/natural-swimming-pool?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A197013&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment197013"><div>My bad. CO2 + H2O = carbonic acid, right? Thanks for setting me straight, TC<br></br><br></br><cite>TCLynx said:</cite><blockquote><div>Pumping CO2 into tanks will lower the pH not raise…</div>
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But this can be useful none the less<br/>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/natural-swimming-pool?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A197013&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment197013"><div>My bad. CO2 + H2O = carbonic acid, right? Thanks for setting me straight, TC<br/><br/><cite>TCLynx said:</cite><blockquote><div>Pumping CO2 into tanks will lower the pH not raise it.</div>
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</blockquote> But you can pump Co2 into the…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-08-27:4778851:Comment:1972042011-08-27T01:27:27.961ZChi Mahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/ChiMa
But you can pump Co2 into the green house during the day for the plants :)
But you can pump Co2 into the green house during the day for the plants :) My bad. CO2 + H2O = carbonic…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-08-27:4778851:Comment:1970132011-08-27T01:24:13.700ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
My bad. CO2 + H2O = carbonic acid, right? Thanks for setting me straight, TC<br/><br/><cite>TCLynx said:</cite><blockquote><div>Pumping CO2 into tanks will lower the pH not raise it.</div>
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My bad. CO2 + H2O = carbonic acid, right? Thanks for setting me straight, TC<br/><br/><cite>TCLynx said:</cite><blockquote><div>Pumping CO2 into tanks will lower the pH not raise it.</div>
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