Low or Nop Iron in system - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T18:39:25Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/low-or-nop-iron-in-system?groupUrl=aquaponicsforbeginners&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A338310&groupId=4778851%3AGroup%3A28135&feed=yes&xn_auth=no2-3mg/ L ought to stave off a…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-08-23:4778851:Comment:3856832012-08-23T21:03:23.226ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>2-3mg/ L ought to stave off any deficiencies in most plants. Iron is unique in that too much of it in solution doesn't appear to mess with the uptake of any other essential elements, though adding too much gets needlessly expensive for the pocket-book...<br></br> <br></br> <cite>George said:…</cite></p>
<p>2-3mg/ L ought to stave off any deficiencies in most plants. Iron is unique in that too much of it in solution doesn't appear to mess with the uptake of any other essential elements, though adding too much gets needlessly expensive for the pocket-book...<br/> <br/> <cite>George said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/low-or-nop-iron-in-system?groupUrl=aquaponicsforbeginners&xg_source=activity&groupId=4778851%3AGroup%3A28135&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A337343&page=4#4778851Comment385663"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Vlad - Thanks for this info. Can you recommend an EDDHA dosage to tank water per 100L?<br/> <br/> <cite>Vlad Jovanovic said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/low-or-nop-iron-in-system?groupUrl=aquaponicsforbeginners&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A337294&groupId=4778851%3AGroup%3A28135#4778851Comment337294"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Dan, if you can...get any product that is not the EDTA chelate (this was one of the first iron chelating agents, but has 'recently' been proven to be a little toxic to plants...but folks still have warehouses full of the stuff and still sell it sometimes).</p>
<p>Any of the other chelating agents would be a bit better, like...EDDHA or HEDTA or even DTPA. (Though the first two would be best...DTPA is <em>suspected</em> to be toxic to plants, but this has not been proven yet). Any self respecting (and expensive) hydroponics store operator will/should know this though, and will hopefully do you right...</p>
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</blockquote> Vlad - Thanks for this info. …tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-08-23:4778851:Comment:3856632012-08-23T17:13:19.091ZGeorgehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Geoge
<p>Vlad - Thanks for this info. Can you recommend an EDDHA dosage to tank water per 100L?<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Vlad Jovanovic said:</cite></p>
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<p>Vlad - Thanks for this info. Can you recommend an EDDHA dosage to tank water per 100L?<br/> <br/> <cite>Vlad Jovanovic said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/low-or-nop-iron-in-system?groupUrl=aquaponicsforbeginners&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A337294&groupId=4778851%3AGroup%3A28135#4778851Comment337294"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Dan, if you can...get any product that is not the EDTA chelate (this was one of the first iron chelating agents, but has 'recently' been proven to be a little toxic to plants...but folks still have warehouses full of the stuff and still sell it sometimes).</p>
<p>Any of the other chelating agents would be a bit better, like...EDDHA or HEDTA or even DTPA. (Though the first two would be best...DTPA is <em>suspected</em> to be toxic to plants, but this has not been proven yet). Any self respecting (and expensive) hydroponics store operator will/should know this though, and will hopefully do you right...</p>
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</blockquote> No limestone or concrete
I di…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-23:4778851:Comment:3388732012-05-23T14:43:40.118ZDan Pontonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/danielponton
<p>No limestone or concrete</p>
<p>I did not wash any of the stone. There is a lot of sand in with the river rock.</p>
<p>No algae <br></br> <br></br> <cite>TCLynx said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/low-or-nop-iron-in-system?groupUrl=aquaponicsforbeginners&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A339018&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment339018"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hum, I don't know then on the pH what is going on. Perhaps dust in the…</p>
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<p>No limestone or concrete</p>
<p>I did not wash any of the stone. There is a lot of sand in with the river rock.</p>
<p>No algae <br/> <br/> <cite>TCLynx said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/low-or-nop-iron-in-system?groupUrl=aquaponicsforbeginners&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A339018&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment339018"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hum, I don't know then on the pH what is going on. Perhaps dust in the lava rock that contained limestone? Any other source of limestone touching your system? Concrete?</p>
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<p>You are not quite cycled up, the nitrite needs to fall still, I know in my first system I cycled up, the pH fell right about the time the nitrite suddenly fell. Be prepared.</p>
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</blockquote> I have about 20 small gold fi…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-23:4778851:Comment:3389222012-05-23T14:23:55.512ZDan Pontonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/danielponton
<p>I have about 20 small gold fish. But in a 1000 gallon pool, I don't see it would make much difference so I pee in the tank when I am out there.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>TCLynx said:</cite></p>
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<p>I have about 20 small gold fish. But in a 1000 gallon pool, I don't see it would make much difference so I pee in the tank when I am out there.<br/> <br/> <cite>TCLynx said:</cite></p>
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<p>In a cycled system ammonia and nitrite should be 0 and the nitrate it doesn't much matter.</p>
<p>But you have to be at those levels when dosing with ammonia or when you have fish since if you just put tap water in a pool and then test it, hopefully it is going to come up with nearly 0 everything too.</p>
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<p>Fishless cycling, you are cycled when you can dose to between 1-2 ppm of ammonia and within 24 hours have both the ammonia and nitrite reach 0.</p>
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<p>In a system with fish you are cycled up to that particular fish load when both the ammonia and nitrite stay at or near 0 and you can feed the fish the appropriate amount. Keep in mind that if you are cycled up with 6 goldfish and you then suddenly add 100 fingerlings of some other fish, your system will need to cycle up to that new load so when drastically changing the stocking level of a system you need to monitor water quality closely and if ammonia or nitrite spike, don't feed until they come back down.</p>
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</blockquote> Hum, I don't know then on the…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-23:4778851:Comment:3390182012-05-23T14:06:39.683ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Hum, I don't know then on the pH what is going on. Perhaps dust in the lava rock that contained limestone? Any other source of limestone touching your system? Concrete?</p>
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<p>You are not quite cycled up, the nitrite needs to fall still, I know in my first system I cycled up, the pH fell right about the time the nitrite suddenly fell. Be prepared.</p>
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<p>Any algae in the system?</p>
<p>Hum, I don't know then on the pH what is going on. Perhaps dust in the lava rock that contained limestone? Any other source of limestone touching your system? Concrete?</p>
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<p>You are not quite cycled up, the nitrite needs to fall still, I know in my first system I cycled up, the pH fell right about the time the nitrite suddenly fell. Be prepared.</p>
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<p>Any algae in the system?</p> Hi TC
I am using a few small…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-23:4778851:Comment:3388692012-05-23T14:01:59.504ZDan Pontonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/danielponton
<p>Hi TC</p>
<p>I am using a few small feeder fish I have been adding a few now and again. I also have been adding organic human ammonia, when available.</p>
<p>Media - Lava rock and 3/4 river rock. I have about 12 beds working now and more coming.</p>
<p>My well water ph is 6.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>TCLynx said:…</cite></p>
<p>Hi TC</p>
<p>I am using a few small feeder fish I have been adding a few now and again. I also have been adding organic human ammonia, when available.</p>
<p>Media - Lava rock and 3/4 river rock. I have about 12 beds working now and more coming.</p>
<p>My well water ph is 6.<br/> <br/> <cite>TCLynx said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/low-or-nop-iron-in-system?groupUrl=aquaponicsforbeginners&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A338914&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment338914"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi Dan, If you are still cycling up, I wouldn't stress too much about a pH of 8. Are you Fishless cycling or are there fish in there? The 5 ppm of nitrite is concerning if you have fish, in which case I would salt to 1 ppt. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.aquaponiclynx.com/salt-for-fish-health" target="_blank">Salt for Fish Health</a></p>
<p>If fishless, just be patient.</p>
<p>Generally a high quality fish food will provide all the copper and zinc needed so adding more is not advisable so I would recommend finding Iron without the other stuff. If you can't find any, message me, I know where I can be gotten in FL though it costs a bit (sold at BWI down here by me.)</p>
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<p>As to your pH long term. What is your source water pH? Before you answer read this <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.aquaponiclynx.com/ph-and-tap-water-2" target="_blank">pH and tap water</a> much of our water here in FL comes from limestone aquifers which will give you water high in calcium carbonate which will tend to buffer the water up. Since we are in a normally fairly rainy climate, I would say try to collect as much clean rain water as you can for topping up so that you don't have to get an RO filter for your water if your source water is the reason for your high pH.</p>
<p>On the other hand, what is your media? Some people discover that not all pea gravel is the same, You want to make sure your high pH is not being caused by say limestone in your grow beds. If your media is the cause of your high pH problem, don't bother with acid, it will only cause pH bouncing and won't work. Take some of your gravel and rinse it well then drop it in a glass of vinegar to see if it fizzes or not. Fizzing is a sign of a reaction between a base and the acid and would indicate your gravel is unsuitable.<br/> <br/> <cite>Dan Ponton said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/low-or-nop-iron-in-system?groupUrl=aquaponicsforbeginners&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A338693&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment338693"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>My PH is now up to 8 PPM and my ammonia is 0ppm while the nitrites are about 5ppm</p>
<p>I put about 1 cup of vinegar in tonight. That's in a 1000 gallon fish tank so it may not do anything.The vinegar is made from grains and is at 5% acidity.</p>
<p>I have heard that this is only a temporary fix<br/> <br/> <cite>matthew ferrell said:</cite></p>
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</blockquote> Do you have fish or not Dan?…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-23:4778851:Comment:3388652012-05-23T12:41:31.012ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Do you have fish or not Dan?</p>
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<p>In a cycled system ammonia and nitrite should be 0 and the nitrate it doesn't much matter.</p>
<p>But you have to be at those levels when dosing with ammonia or when you have fish since if you just put tap water in a pool and then test it, hopefully it is going to come up with nearly 0 everything too.</p>
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<p>Fishless cycling, you are cycled when you can dose to between 1-2 ppm of ammonia and within 24 hours have both the ammonia and nitrite…</p>
<p>Do you have fish or not Dan?</p>
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<p>In a cycled system ammonia and nitrite should be 0 and the nitrate it doesn't much matter.</p>
<p>But you have to be at those levels when dosing with ammonia or when you have fish since if you just put tap water in a pool and then test it, hopefully it is going to come up with nearly 0 everything too.</p>
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<p>Fishless cycling, you are cycled when you can dose to between 1-2 ppm of ammonia and within 24 hours have both the ammonia and nitrite reach 0.</p>
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<p>In a system with fish you are cycled up to that particular fish load when both the ammonia and nitrite stay at or near 0 and you can feed the fish the appropriate amount. Keep in mind that if you are cycled up with 6 goldfish and you then suddenly add 100 fingerlings of some other fish, your system will need to cycle up to that new load so when drastically changing the stocking level of a system you need to monitor water quality closely and if ammonia or nitrite spike, don't feed until they come back down.</p>
<p></p> I agree, better safe then sor…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-23:4778851:Comment:3390092012-05-23T12:28:02.862ZDan Pontonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/danielponton
<p>I agree, better safe then sorry</p>
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<p>How do you know if your system is cycled? I think mine is</p>
<p>0 ammonia and 5ppm of nitrites.</p>
<p>I don't have a test kit for nitrates yet.</p>
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Vlad Jovanovic said:…</cite></p>
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<p>I agree, better safe then sorry</p>
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<p>How do you know if your system is cycled? I think mine is</p>
<p>0 ammonia and 5ppm of nitrites.</p>
<p>I don't have a test kit for nitrates yet.</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/low-or-nop-iron-in-system?groupUrl=aquaponicsforbeginners&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A338695&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment338772"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I forgot to add...all that being said...That is a pretty small amount of copper and/or zinc percentage wise. The chelated iron plus trace element product I have seems geared more towards tomatoes and grapes in that copper content is 0.76%.</p>
<p>Still though...why risk it if you don't have to?</p>
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</blockquote> Hi Dan, If you are still cyc…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-23:4778851:Comment:3389142012-05-23T12:14:09.952ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Hi Dan, If you are still cycling up, I wouldn't stress too much about a pH of 8. Are you Fishless cycling or are there fish in there? The 5 ppm of nitrite is concerning if you have fish, in which case I would salt to 1 ppt. <a href="http://www.aquaponiclynx.com/salt-for-fish-health" target="_blank">Salt for Fish Health</a></p>
<p>If fishless, just be patient.</p>
<p>Generally a high quality fish food will provide all the copper and zinc needed so adding more is not advisable so I would…</p>
<p>Hi Dan, If you are still cycling up, I wouldn't stress too much about a pH of 8. Are you Fishless cycling or are there fish in there? The 5 ppm of nitrite is concerning if you have fish, in which case I would salt to 1 ppt. <a href="http://www.aquaponiclynx.com/salt-for-fish-health" target="_blank">Salt for Fish Health</a></p>
<p>If fishless, just be patient.</p>
<p>Generally a high quality fish food will provide all the copper and zinc needed so adding more is not advisable so I would recommend finding Iron without the other stuff. If you can't find any, message me, I know where I can be gotten in FL though it costs a bit (sold at BWI down here by me.)</p>
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<p>As to your pH long term. What is your source water pH? Before you answer read this <a href="http://www.aquaponiclynx.com/ph-and-tap-water-2" target="_blank">pH and tap water</a> much of our water here in FL comes from limestone aquifers which will give you water high in calcium carbonate which will tend to buffer the water up. Since we are in a normally fairly rainy climate, I would say try to collect as much clean rain water as you can for topping up so that you don't have to get an RO filter for your water if your source water is the reason for your high pH.</p>
<p>On the other hand, what is your media? Some people discover that not all pea gravel is the same, You want to make sure your high pH is not being caused by say limestone in your grow beds. If your media is the cause of your high pH problem, don't bother with acid, it will only cause pH bouncing and won't work. Take some of your gravel and rinse it well then drop it in a glass of vinegar to see if it fizzes or not. Fizzing is a sign of a reaction between a base and the acid and would indicate your gravel is unsuitable.<br/> <br/> <cite>Dan Ponton said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/low-or-nop-iron-in-system?groupUrl=aquaponicsforbeginners&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A338693&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment338693"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>My PH is now up to 8 PPM and my ammonia is 0ppm while the nitrites are about 5ppm</p>
<p>I put about 1 cup of vinegar in tonight. That's in a 1000 gallon fish tank so it may not do anything.The vinegar is made from grains and is at 5% acidity.</p>
<p>I have heard that this is only a temporary fix<br/> <br/> <cite>matthew ferrell said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/low-or-nop-iron-in-system?groupUrl=aquaponicsforbeginners&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A338680&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment338680"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>The copper in this should be too low to care about Vlad? I mean we are talking 1 or 2 tablespoons into hundreds of gallons.<br/><br/>Granted proper alkalinity and all.</p>
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</blockquote> I forgot to add...all that be…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-23:4778851:Comment:3387722012-05-23T07:48:39.182ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>I forgot to add...all that being said...That is a pretty small amount of copper and/or zinc percentage wise. The chelated iron plus trace element product I have seems geared more towards tomatoes and grapes in that copper content is 0.76%.</p>
<p>Still though...why risk it if you don't have to?</p>
<p>I forgot to add...all that being said...That is a pretty small amount of copper and/or zinc percentage wise. The chelated iron plus trace element product I have seems geared more towards tomatoes and grapes in that copper content is 0.76%.</p>
<p>Still though...why risk it if you don't have to?</p>