Location Location Location? - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T20:25:43Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/location-location-location?feed=yes&xn_auth=noCongratulations guys. This ha…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-27:4778851:Comment:3959482012-09-27T01:56:04.850ZJim Fiskhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimFisk
<p>Congratulations guys. This has to be the most entertaining thread on this forum. Where indeed is Ryan now. You can always tell when someone has never run a business before. Usually it is the first words that come out of their mouths.<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/> I want more! Of course you never know. There is that 1% chance.<br/></a></p>
<p>Congratulations guys. This has to be the most entertaining thread on this forum. Where indeed is Ryan now. You can always tell when someone has never run a business before. Usually it is the first words that come out of their mouths.<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/> I want more! Of course you never know. There is that 1% chance.<br/></a></p> Hi Ryan,
I am sorry for my ba…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-25:4778851:Comment:3954802012-09-25T16:06:23.675Zvincent dominicihttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/vincentdominici
<p>Hi Ryan,</p>
<p>I am sorry for my bad english but...me to i start to think to relocate.</p>
<p>I am from Italy and business with aquaponic colture just started,will be a plenty romm but real estate it's very expensive and taxes very hight.</p>
<p>I have worked for 7 years in Romania and i own some property overthere...nex yars i will move to that country</p>
<p>Lands and house are very cip,very few people already start aquaponic business and i think will be a very interesting…</p>
<p>Hi Ryan,</p>
<p>I am sorry for my bad english but...me to i start to think to relocate.</p>
<p>I am from Italy and business with aquaponic colture just started,will be a plenty romm but real estate it's very expensive and taxes very hight.</p>
<p>I have worked for 7 years in Romania and i own some property overthere...nex yars i will move to that country</p>
<p>Lands and house are very cip,very few people already start aquaponic business and i think will be a very interesting venture.</p>
<p>A lot of people like to buy fresh vegetable and fish.</p>
<p>Look forward for who like to discuss on thi subject.</p>
<p>Vincent</p> "Overseas" covers a pretty la…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-20:4778851:Comment:3938132012-09-20T02:24:26.694ZChip Pilkingtonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/ChipPilkington
<p>"Overseas" covers a pretty large area. I have found that AP in SE Asia works fine at the hobby/home use level, but you'd be hard pressed to make your million at it commercially. Having an too much food produced as it is, along with most people being too poor to purchase expensive AP produce (unfortunately, poverty trumps pesticide and chemical free), makes AP extremely hard to sell, outside of a very tight tourist/expat drivem hotel and restaurant market.</p>
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<p>"Overseas" covers a pretty large area. I have found that AP in SE Asia works fine at the hobby/home use level, but you'd be hard pressed to make your million at it commercially. Having an too much food produced as it is, along with most people being too poor to purchase expensive AP produce (unfortunately, poverty trumps pesticide and chemical free), makes AP extremely hard to sell, outside of a very tight tourist/expat drivem hotel and restaurant market.</p>
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<p>I'm curious as to progress of our gung-ho, millionaire-to-be Ryan. Six months ago he (and his group) were ready to go. Any updates?</p> What about overseas? Do you k…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-17:4778851:Comment:3929412012-09-17T20:06:14.335ZTyler Meekshttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TylerMeeks
<p>What about overseas? Do you konw of good place to market these would be?</p>
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Ryan Sala said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/location-location-location?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A319028#4778851Comment313576"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I read, or actually saw a video about acompany in CA (Santa Cruz Aquaponics), and they had anticipated a huge profits in their area, and out the starting gate, CA had banned…</p>
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<p>What about overseas? Do you konw of good place to market these would be?</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Ryan Sala said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/location-location-location?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A319028#4778851Comment313576"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I read, or actually saw a video about acompany in CA (Santa Cruz Aquaponics), and they had anticipated a huge profits in their area, and out the starting gate, CA had banned tilapia farming in his county. So I think it was a fresh issue for them at the time. They do have a video on Youtube. </p>
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<p>Theres another video on there.. but they say they are 6 miles from monterey.. No website, although they say contact us on our website, and their facebook is like a ghosttown. </p>
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<p>BTW, I love Monterey.. went there 3 yrs ago… LOVED IT beautiful nice beach… people only kinda smell.<img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Tongue.gif"/></p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Chip Pilkington said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/location-location-location?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A313565&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment313565"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>For most of us, budget would certainly have to be factored in, but from a pure growing pleasure perspective, I'd farm in Northern California, on or near the coast, probably somewhere between Monterey and Half Moon Bay, mostly because of the amazing, year round growing season. I miss my winter gardens so much living over here....also, the cool breezes from the ocean extend the cool-loving crop seasons a bit into the Summer.</p>
<p>I lived in that area through the late 70's, early 80's and loved it. I can't tell you how long it's been since I've seen a big, beautiful artichoke from that area! </p>
<p>If only all the people would just go away and the cost of living would come back down to Earth, I think my retirement mini-farm would land in that area. </p>
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</blockquote> I'd pick outside of NYC, Phil…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-04-17:4778851:Comment:3214732012-04-17T00:35:19.762ZJimi Subgumhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimiSubgum
<p>I'd pick outside of NYC, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, just because I understand a bit about those markets.</p>
<p>I've run a successful contracting business for over a decade and my wife ran a restaurant for several years. we have many biz ppl in my family including a small farmer. here's .01 of my .02</p>
<p>In any business you need a product or service ppl demand, and a system to provide that in a profitable way. bootstrap start small and find that system to make a profit. read alot of books…</p>
<p>I'd pick outside of NYC, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, just because I understand a bit about those markets.</p>
<p>I've run a successful contracting business for over a decade and my wife ran a restaurant for several years. we have many biz ppl in my family including a small farmer. here's .01 of my .02</p>
<p>In any business you need a product or service ppl demand, and a system to provide that in a profitable way. bootstrap start small and find that system to make a profit. read alot of books about general business principals. </p>
<p>(rich dad poor dad, and The E myth) learn what a profit/loss statement is. know why cashflow is king. learn about financials. goto small biz workshops. talk to anyone who's been in business more than 3 years.</p>
<p>anyway, DFW is a huge metro area. I'd poke around and see if someone is growing organics there now. Get a job with them and I'd learn from them. its a free education, and you'll get paid too. you'll meet the contacts you'll need to be a success in AP.</p>
<p>good luck.</p> How many people are…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-04-16:4778851:Comment:3213562012-04-16T19:00:20.573ZJoe Johnsonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JoeJohnson
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<p> How many people are in Denton TX? Is their a large segment of the population that is after the kind of food you produce? Get on the phone and talk to ALL casinos in Reno and find out if they will buy your products. This to get you started and then sell completely to the locals thru csa,farmers market, and restaurants. My 1cents worth. Joe GOOD LUCK!!</p>
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<p> How many people are in Denton TX? Is their a large segment of the population that is after the kind of food you produce? Get on the phone and talk to ALL casinos in Reno and find out if they will buy your products. This to get you started and then sell completely to the locals thru csa,farmers market, and restaurants. My 1cents worth. Joe GOOD LUCK!!</p>
<p> </p> Boy you left that one wide op…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-04-16:4778851:Comment:3211572012-04-16T15:25:40.340ZGil Romerohttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/GilRomero
<p>Boy you left that one wide open Ryan!</p>
<p>I spent 4 years just north of San Francisco on the Marin/Sonoma county coast. Gorgeous, breathtaking really. Educated, forward-thinking, environmentally/socially active mindsets. Lots of good music. People actually read books! Location is extremely important to me so what else.? I have been away from there for 10 lightening fast, fly-by years so lots has changed but if you have to be or choose to be in the States I would say this has to be one of…</p>
<p>Boy you left that one wide open Ryan!</p>
<p>I spent 4 years just north of San Francisco on the Marin/Sonoma county coast. Gorgeous, breathtaking really. Educated, forward-thinking, environmentally/socially active mindsets. Lots of good music. People actually read books! Location is extremely important to me so what else.? I have been away from there for 10 lightening fast, fly-by years so lots has changed but if you have to be or choose to be in the States I would say this has to be one of the very best places. Low key, great weather, people with flexible incomes and/or incomes they are willing to spend on something intelligent like AP. People willing to work with others. Even more than a semblance of "communuity" which, when I left was an endangered species. My understanding from travelers and clients here (I am back in So,. Mexico now), is that the major changes for the worse up there are because of the eroding political and economic situation and this , mainly from people who 10 years back would have been Republican, love-it-or-leave-it types who say that now , when they go back it is "scarier and scarier" so there must be something to it beyond a lot of lefty malcontents singing the blues. Don´t underestimate what they are doing to your constitution and civil rights Ryan. If...or when... it passes the point of no return, it won´t matter where you move unless it is across the nearest national border.</p>
<p>Reno, BTW, and in my very humble opinion, is a pit. Cold, transient, lots of the low-life environment that gambling, mafia, drugs and prostitution attracts. At least that was my impression 12-13 years ago. I´m sure it´s all better now (Yes we can!), a real Andy of Mayberry ambience.....Well, maybe not quite yet given the growth of the drug culture? Finally, and I know I mentioned cold, I get tired of 40-45°C HOT temps we have here a couple of months of the year Ryan. Great for the Tilapia and the iguanas but.... I however NEVER EVER...miss the cold and working ...in the cold...and digging out of the snow and ice...in the cold... or overcast skies for 5-7 mos a year. Never, ever, ever miss that stuff and if you are considering AP as your next direction professionally? Hmmm..........</p>
<p>Best of luck Ryan! I respect your courage (and it does take courage!) to venture forth and to seek and make the life you want for yourself!</p>
<p>Saludos Cordiales,</p>
<p>Ing. Gil Romero</p>
<p>Panaba, Yucatán, Mexico</p> Ok so I have update.. group w…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-04-12:4778851:Comment:3197412012-04-12T20:19:41.529ZRyan Salahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RyanSala
<p>Ok so I have update.. group was waiting for another kind soul to confirm their involvement in our project. We will be Doing our dry run in Montana. the land is already owned and 100% paid off, and we have 100% reign over 5 acres with a well, and a pond. Property already contains houses on it. As well as tractor. :) We will focus on a trial and error until we get it down 100%. That way we wont be dipping into our initial costs for property ect. There we will obtain our licenses for the state,…</p>
<p>Ok so I have update.. group was waiting for another kind soul to confirm their involvement in our project. We will be Doing our dry run in Montana. the land is already owned and 100% paid off, and we have 100% reign over 5 acres with a well, and a pond. Property already contains houses on it. As well as tractor. :) We will focus on a trial and error until we get it down 100%. That way we wont be dipping into our initial costs for property ect. There we will obtain our licenses for the state, and get up our websites and any other important aspects needed for growth. Once complete we will relocate to a thriving populace with green minded individuals to help make us successful in a ….shhh dont say it too loud .. co mm er ci al.. industry. My investor is a long time friend, and has the capital you speak of, and then some.. So there lol I said it.. We have no money problems.. We just need to do it right the first time :)</p>
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<p>AHHHHHHH! im all fired UPPPPP :)</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>RupertofOZ said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/location-location-location?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A319805&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment319702"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Without treading on anyones "dream"... Rob (Nash) makes an extremely valid point ... that is all to often, indeed usually... not accounted for....</p>
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<p>And that's simply that there is a point of scale beyond which a one, or two person operation... just can not physically extend....</p>
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<p>And the majority of the "commercial" systems that have popped up over the last year or two... are probably at that scale...</p>
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<p>Beyond that involves labour hire... and a scale of production... that simple means you have to move the produce.. and that means wholesale pricings... not premium "niche" market, or direct market pricing....</p>
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<p>And the scale of investment... pricing structure.. and labour/distribution costs.... becomes exponential....</p>
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<p>You need to seriously convince yourself... that you have the market, capital, and personel...then I suggest you seek some serious aquaculture, hydroponics and horticultural training... assuming you already have the business training...</p>
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<p>Then... it might work...</p>
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<p>P.S... for what it's worth... I think you need a minimum $1 million+ capital investment...</p>
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</blockquote> It could be $1 million if you…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-04-12:4778851:Comment:3198052012-04-12T16:46:30.568ZJoe Bifanohttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JoeBifano
<p>It could be $1 million if you had to purchase everything new and the land but it all depends on the circumstances as well.</p>
<p>I spent 30K and have over 8000 holes for basil. My 2500 ft sq greenhouse is done and I am in fish-less cycling right now. I have a boiler to heat all my fish tank water and raft water using PEX in that cost. I have a 12x32 Utility room/nursery too start seedlings in, raise fish in, harvest in and use as a office all finished as part of that cost. I have several…</p>
<p>It could be $1 million if you had to purchase everything new and the land but it all depends on the circumstances as well.</p>
<p>I spent 30K and have over 8000 holes for basil. My 2500 ft sq greenhouse is done and I am in fish-less cycling right now. I have a boiler to heat all my fish tank water and raft water using PEX in that cost. I have a 12x32 Utility room/nursery too start seedlings in, raise fish in, harvest in and use as a office all finished as part of that cost. I have several controllers I made to run everything with a PC monitoring and collecting data all a part of that cost. 500 gallon water storage is done along with a wood fired boiler connected to the propane boiler. I am on 15 acres and ready to grow and work hard. When the first harvest comes I will be making a profit and will have to pay back 1 investor 12k in 3 years. I may need to hire someone to help me in the greenhouse part time but probably not. I will be okay with the living I receive from the income I get from this and pay back that investor his 12k.</p>
<p>If I were to have to purchase the land at 200k plus have a greenhouse paid for new at 50k, utility room at 20K and all the stuff done by professionals as far as the setup another 50K (boiler, stove, pex) and the tanks and grow equipment at 100k, a truck at 20k I would be at 440K to 500K with 8000 holes and if I wanted 32,000 holes then add another 500k and then you are correct to get to $1 million.</p>
<p>But because of my circumstances I will get to the 32000 holes to the total of 75k because my boiler will handle the 32000 holes as well as my stove and I have the power already there. I just have to build the greenhouse myself or find one that is been left for several years and get a great deal on it if I take it down myself and put it all back together. But that might add another 20K. I have been to several places in the US and they are all over the place abandoned and they are trying to get rid of them. I will have to get all the rafts up and fish tanks but after seeing Herban Farms set up I will look into what they did and see if it works and maybe add larger fish tanks like they did with grow out tables instead and do it all myself.</p>
<p>So it can be done for $1 million one way and a whole lot less the other if you have the know how on what to do or find people that help that have those skills to do what is needed on the construction side of things.</p>
<p>@Ryan keep on looking into this and continue with the investor because it is possible if you can get the help and others involved like you have and do it for a lot less.</p> Without treading on anyones "…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-04-12:4778851:Comment:3197022012-04-12T15:48:18.630ZRupertofOZhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RupertofOZ
<p>Without treading on anyones "dream"... Rob (Nash) makes an extremely valid point ... that is all to often, indeed usually... not accounted for....</p>
<p> </p>
<p>And that's simply that there is a point of scale beyond which a one, or two person operation... just can not physically extend....</p>
<p> </p>
<p>And the majority of the "commercial" systems that have popped up over the last year or two... are probably at that scale...</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Beyond that involves labour hire... and a…</p>
<p>Without treading on anyones "dream"... Rob (Nash) makes an extremely valid point ... that is all to often, indeed usually... not accounted for....</p>
<p> </p>
<p>And that's simply that there is a point of scale beyond which a one, or two person operation... just can not physically extend....</p>
<p> </p>
<p>And the majority of the "commercial" systems that have popped up over the last year or two... are probably at that scale...</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Beyond that involves labour hire... and a scale of production... that simple means you have to move the produce.. and that means wholesale pricings... not premium "niche" market, or direct market pricing....</p>
<p> </p>
<p>And the scale of investment... pricing structure.. and labour/distribution costs.... becomes exponential....</p>
<p> </p>
<p>You need to seriously convince yourself... that you have the market, capital, and personel...then I suggest you seek some serious aquaculture, hydroponics and horticultural training... assuming you already have the business training...</p>
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<p>Then... it might work...</p>
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<p>P.S... for what it's worth... I think you need a minimum $1 million+ capital investment...</p>