is a double bell siphon possible? - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T00:46:47Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/is-a-double-bell-siphon?feed=yes&xn_auth=noI saw a picture somewhere
(if…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-18:4778851:Comment:2946452012-02-18T02:04:04.723ZShas Chohttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/ShasCho
<p>I saw a picture somewhere</p>
<p>(if I can find it I'll post it)</p>
<p>of a pump in the Phillipines, I think,</p>
<p>powered by a children's swing set.</p>
<p>The kids have fun and no electricity is needed.</p>
<p>Or, as Jon says, a teeter-totter would work just as well...</p>
<p>I saw a picture somewhere</p>
<p>(if I can find it I'll post it)</p>
<p>of a pump in the Phillipines, I think,</p>
<p>powered by a children's swing set.</p>
<p>The kids have fun and no electricity is needed.</p>
<p>Or, as Jon says, a teeter-totter would work just as well...</p> When in Rome? That civilizat…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-30:4778851:Comment:792472011-03-30T16:05:37.415ZJonathan Farrandhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonathanFarrand
When in Rome? That civilization knew how to manipulate water. How much ancient techonolgy really can be viable. I believe alot more than people are using. I do see alot on DIY alternative powers and why wouldn't we try to recreate some like this to live cleaner and <strong>less costly. </strong> The teeter-totter in combination with water wheels, windmills and gear ratios, my mind is racing with ideas. Where's Davinci when you need him? I'm sticking with trying to start off with DIY solar…
When in Rome? That civilization knew how to manipulate water. How much ancient techonolgy really can be viable. I believe alot more than people are using. I do see alot on DIY alternative powers and why wouldn't we try to recreate some like this to live cleaner and <strong>less costly. </strong> The teeter-totter in combination with water wheels, windmills and gear ratios, my mind is racing with ideas. Where's Davinci when you need him? I'm sticking with trying to start off with DIY solar panels to power my pump. But later on, I do wish to go as natural and clean as possible by any means necessary!<br/><br/><cite>Jon Baldwin said:</cite>
<blockquote><div>...I see a very large teeter-totter in your future...</div>
</blockquote> yea, water is heavy
tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-30:4778851:Comment:791142011-03-30T13:18:48.434ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>yea, water is heavy</p>
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<p>yea, water is heavy</p>
<p> </p> thats funny because i was thi…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-30:4778851:Comment:790322011-03-30T12:48:55.379Zrichcoulterjrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/richcoulterjr
thats funny because i was thinking about something like that. more of a portable fish tank that i could move up and down or somehow juggle a couple tanks at a time. move one to the top and it drains down through the grow beds and then into the other fish tank. then juggle the bottom tank to the top and start over. maybe a bit more manual then the hand pump but it sure sounds cool. very labor intensive too i bet.
thats funny because i was thinking about something like that. more of a portable fish tank that i could move up and down or somehow juggle a couple tanks at a time. move one to the top and it drains down through the grow beds and then into the other fish tank. then juggle the bottom tank to the top and start over. maybe a bit more manual then the hand pump but it sure sounds cool. very labor intensive too i bet. ...I see a very large teeter-…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-30:4778851:Comment:788182011-03-30T03:01:39.941ZJon Baldwinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonBaldwin
...I see a very large teeter-totter in your future...
...I see a very large teeter-totter in your future... Perhaps I was too absolute wi…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-24:4778851:Comment:731402011-03-24T23:09:46.665ZCraig Hartsoughhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/CraigHartsough
Perhaps I was too absolute with my previously statement. I fully agree with you, there are always ways to move water up a grade but for an aquaponic system that needs constant water flow (except at night some argue) there are almost no reliable options other than an electric pump. A creek runs through my property however I live in zone 6 and my mechanism would stop as soon as the creek froze up. Also the flow of the creek is not constant, it changes a great deal depending on precipitation. A…
Perhaps I was too absolute with my previously statement. I fully agree with you, there are always ways to move water up a grade but for an aquaponic system that needs constant water flow (except at night some argue) there are almost no reliable options other than an electric pump. A creek runs through my property however I live in zone 6 and my mechanism would stop as soon as the creek froze up. Also the flow of the creek is not constant, it changes a great deal depending on precipitation. A windmill and solar energy have similar pitfalls. In my opinion a commercial or for profit system in 2011 requires an electric pump. I'm not saying I agree with this reality or am happy about it. I hope a perpetual motion machine is discovered soon. Keep experimenting! Water can be lifted without e…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-24:4778851:Comment:723672011-03-24T15:33:28.357ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Water can be lifted without electrical power. It takes something mechanical like a manual pump (hand pump, rope pump) or windmill or there are ways to use other moving water like a creek or waterfall near by to lift water by turning a water wheel or tube pump or operating one of the other manual pumps or there is something called a ram pump but I don't know if that would work because it pumps part of the falling water back up higher instead of pumping the system water.</p>
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<p>Most…</p>
<p>Water can be lifted without electrical power. It takes something mechanical like a manual pump (hand pump, rope pump) or windmill or there are ways to use other moving water like a creek or waterfall near by to lift water by turning a water wheel or tube pump or operating one of the other manual pumps or there is something called a ram pump but I don't know if that would work because it pumps part of the falling water back up higher instead of pumping the system water.</p>
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<p>Most of the mechanical means of pumping water are either too labor intensive for out "western society" or require features that most backyards don't have access to (like the natural creek or water fall or good space for a windmill pump.)</p> As far as I know there is no…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-24:4778851:Comment:723622011-03-24T15:03:51.745ZCraig Hartsoughhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/CraigHartsough
<p>As far as I know there is no way to move water uphill other than an electric pump. An aeration pump or blower typically uses much more energy than a water pump. To really off set your energy consumption find a way to aerate your water without a blower. For example you could build in a waterfall falling into your fish tank/pond.</p>
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<p>As far as I know there is no way to move water uphill other than an electric pump. An aeration pump or blower typically uses much more energy than a water pump. To really off set your energy consumption find a way to aerate your water without a blower. For example you could build in a waterfall falling into your fish tank/pond.</p>
<p> </p> Not to stick out like a sore…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-24:4778851:Comment:723602011-03-24T14:57:42.025ZBurtonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BurtonRosenberger
<p>Not to stick out like a sore thumb, but if you really really want to limit your footprint go vegan :) or raise your own cattle.<br></br><br></br><strong>1lb of beef takes <span class="pageBody">2,500 gallons</span> to grow</strong> <a href="http://www.vegsource.com/articles/pimentel_water.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vegsource.com/articles/pimentel_water.htm</a><br></br>Carbon footprint savings for going vegetarian / vegan…</p>
<p>Not to stick out like a sore thumb, but if you really really want to limit your footprint go vegan :) or raise your own cattle.<br/><br/><strong>1lb of beef takes <span class="pageBody">2,500 gallons</span> to grow</strong> <a href="http://www.vegsource.com/articles/pimentel_water.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vegsource.com/articles/pimentel_water.htm</a><br/>Carbon footprint savings for going vegetarian / vegan <a href="http://planetgreen.discovery.com/food-health/vegetarian-diet-carbon-footprint.html" target="_blank">http://planetgreen.discovery.com/food-health/vegetarian-diet-carbon-footprint.html</a></p>
<p><br/>While I am bias I am not vegan to reduce my footprint, it is just a side effect, I am vegan to eat healthy based on my years of studying nutrition.</p>
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<p>Replacing one <b>incandescent bulb</b> with a <b>LED light bulb</b> prevents the release of 300 pounds of carbon dioxide in just one year. <a href="http://www.squidoo.com/incandescent-versus-CFL-versus-LED" target="_blank">http://www.squidoo.com/incandescent-versus-CFL-versus-LED</a></p>
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<p>If your end goal is to be off the grid then I would start looking into batteries because they are what cost the most normally in the system.</p>
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<p>You could find a creek in your property and make a water mill to power the movement of water in your system :)</p>
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<p>Most of these things are outside the realm of most peoples budgets however (solar, wind, hydro etc)</p> Very good point Sylvia.
I k…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-24:4778851:Comment:733092011-03-24T14:40:09.859ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Very good point Sylvia.</p>
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<p>I know many people have struggled over the past several years trying to come up with some means of doing aquaponics without electricity. There might be some ways to do it, however, so far what I've seen has been rather impractical and since most people trying to do it that way don't want to spend a lot of money up front on windmills, so far I've not seen one get built.</p>
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<p>It might be possible to build a system where one could go out and…</p>
<p>Very good point Sylvia.</p>
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<p>I know many people have struggled over the past several years trying to come up with some means of doing aquaponics without electricity. There might be some ways to do it, however, so far what I've seen has been rather impractical and since most people trying to do it that way don't want to spend a lot of money up front on windmills, so far I've not seen one get built.</p>
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<p>It might be possible to build a system where one could go out and hand pump (pedal pump etc) or bucket water up to a header tank several times a day and let that water trickle through a system but the header tank would need to be huge and the fish load in such a system exceedingly small to the point of not really making sense unless one just really liked to build things and get their daily work out moving water.</p>
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<p>Anyway, these things could be possible but generally very impractical for the average back yard. Some work has to get done some how to lift water and if that work doesn't come from electricity, time to start looking up other means of pumping. Windmills, rope pumps, ram pumps etc but don't expect a perpetual motion machine as there are always efficiency losses so it isn't like you can start off a bell siphon in one container and expect it to kick off a bell siphon in another container to lift water back to the first container, that isn't going to work well since the water exiting the siphon always needs to be lower that the start point.</p>