Ich, Strawberries and Salt - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T15:07:58Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/ich-strawberries-and-salt?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A332951&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYes, TC. The time and effort…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-10:4778851:Comment:3327962012-05-10T04:25:06.136ZRebecca Bhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RebeccaBranham
<p>Yes, TC. The time and effort you give to this forum is widely appreciated. Mahalo.</p>
<p>Yes, TC. The time and effort you give to this forum is widely appreciated. Mahalo.</p> john Parr said: You're too…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-10:4778851:Comment:3329512012-05-10T03:33:26.047ZRob Nashhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RobNash
<p><i>john Parr said: </i> You're too kind, TC</p>
<p>I've said it before... if she had a nickel for every time she hit reply, she could retire.</p>
<p>$20 a month would be an awesome deal for what i've learned from this forum. (thanks Sylvia)</p>
<p>BIG Thanks for all you do Aleece,</p>
<p>as "the heckler" says... We Love You!</p>
<p><i>john Parr said: </i> You're too kind, TC</p>
<p>I've said it before... if she had a nickel for every time she hit reply, she could retire.</p>
<p>$20 a month would be an awesome deal for what i've learned from this forum. (thanks Sylvia)</p>
<p>BIG Thanks for all you do Aleece,</p>
<p>as "the heckler" says... We Love You!</p> You're too kind, TCtag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-10:4778851:Comment:3327842012-05-10T03:09:55.953ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
You're too kind, TC
You're too kind, TC I know people who salt regula…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-10:4778851:Comment:3327642012-05-10T01:33:18.090ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>I know people who salt regularly and others who never do. To an extent you have to take into account where the recommendation for "don't ever use salt" comes from. Friendlies is on an Island in the ocean. If their source water has some initial salt content already, then adding any additional salt to a system would be a really bad idea (especially if their source water already has like 3 ppt of salt or something.)</p>
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<p>Understanding your source water is kinda important when…</p>
<p>I know people who salt regularly and others who never do. To an extent you have to take into account where the recommendation for "don't ever use salt" comes from. Friendlies is on an Island in the ocean. If their source water has some initial salt content already, then adding any additional salt to a system would be a really bad idea (especially if their source water already has like 3 ppt of salt or something.)</p>
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<p>Understanding your source water is kinda important when figuring out what you should be adding or not adding. Blanket absolute statements are dangerous things.</p> At 80 F or above, Ich should…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-09:4778851:Comment:3324852012-05-09T14:35:47.384ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
At 80 F or above, Ich should be gone in 3-5 days, give it a week if you can. I recently treated bluegill for a protozoan fuzz of some sort, and fish took a full two weeks to look good, and I gave them three weeks to be safe, but of course that's a different ailment and water was around 70 F. A large water change is ok as long as you water matches temp and pH. Add replacement water to a barrel and doctor it up a day before if you need to. <br />
I would start with at least a 50% water change,…
At 80 F or above, Ich should be gone in 3-5 days, give it a week if you can. I recently treated bluegill for a protozoan fuzz of some sort, and fish took a full two weeks to look good, and I gave them three weeks to be safe, but of course that's a different ailment and water was around 70 F. A large water change is ok as long as you water matches temp and pH. Add replacement water to a barrel and doctor it up a day before if you need to. <br />
I would start with at least a 50% water change, re-connect growbed, and then two more a couple days apart. The first 50% brings it down to 2.5 ppt, the second 1.125 ppt, the third .06125, which is fine to leave it at permanently. Some folks even add salt to otherwise healthy systems at a dose of .5 ppt to improve fish slime coat (disease resistance), and the plants do eventually absorb it. <br />
When doing water changes, vacuum the floor systematically, to suck up any Ich cysts.<br />
In the meantime, you can always water your plants with a five gallon bucket and pump on continuous flow-through. AP plants are spoiled, used to getting plenty of water, so that would keep them spoiled<br />
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Ah, I forgot you have strawberries, maybe wait until you're below 1 ppt to reconnect GB. There a lot of variations and methods to this salting, and others may have better advice, but that's half the fun. The last Friendlies news letter stated quite clearly that adding any salt is stupid and will kill your plants. Well, make your own calls I guess I added another pound of salt…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-09:4778851:Comment:3324742012-05-09T12:11:04.361ZCasey Millerhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/CaseyMiller
<p>I added another pound of salt last night (to get up to 5ppt as suggested) and the fish are looking great this morning. How long should I continue with the salt solution? And secondly, how do I bring the salt level down without shocking the fish by doing a large water change? I"m doing the manual watering, but my plants are starting to show some stress, so I don't know how long they can go without having a fresh supply of nutrient water. Thanks again for all the help. This site is a great…</p>
<p>I added another pound of salt last night (to get up to 5ppt as suggested) and the fish are looking great this morning. How long should I continue with the salt solution? And secondly, how do I bring the salt level down without shocking the fish by doing a large water change? I"m doing the manual watering, but my plants are starting to show some stress, so I don't know how long they can go without having a fresh supply of nutrient water. Thanks again for all the help. This site is a great resource!</p>
<p></p> Yes good point on the tempera…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-08:4778851:Comment:3326042012-05-08T20:56:57.817ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Yes good point on the temperature ranges Mathew. I have seen it.</p>
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<p>Rebecca, Parasites do generally come in on fish or in the water or in some situations there are other hosts that can visit a system and introduce problems. Sometimes people bring in water plants or something from a natural water source and bring in undesirables. Bacteria and fungus can enter from the air or via other things that enter the system as well as possibly coming in with new fish or the water.</p>
<p>Yes good point on the temperature ranges Mathew. I have seen it.</p>
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<p>Rebecca, Parasites do generally come in on fish or in the water or in some situations there are other hosts that can visit a system and introduce problems. Sometimes people bring in water plants or something from a natural water source and bring in undesirables. Bacteria and fungus can enter from the air or via other things that enter the system as well as possibly coming in with new fish or the water.</p> TC- lets not forget areomonas…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-08:4778851:Comment:3323732012-05-08T20:49:58.312Zmatthew ferrellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/matthewferrell
<p>TC- lets not forget areomonas, which is found on all continents. And ubiquitous is my favorite word. <br></br><br></br>So to add on to TC. Commonly stress is the precursor. However the temperature of the system will likely dictate the nasty's that will infiltrate the fish at the time of stress. <span class="st">Ichthyophthirius multifiliis</span> and Columnaris prefer two distinct temps, once you are past those you are usually in the clear for the specific pathogens.<br></br><br></br>As your question…</p>
<p>TC- lets not forget areomonas, which is found on all continents. And ubiquitous is my favorite word. <br/><br/>So to add on to TC. Commonly stress is the precursor. However the temperature of the system will likely dictate the nasty's that will infiltrate the fish at the time of stress. <span class="st">Ichthyophthirius multifiliis</span> and Columnaris prefer two distinct temps, once you are past those you are usually in the clear for the specific pathogens.<br/><br/>As your question for fungus, again there are times of the year it is way worse than others. In trout, breeding season seems to be the time that it rears its nasty little head. I have been fighting it since January. FYI it hates hydrogen peroxide. <br/><br/>Dips can be stronger than prolonged immersion.</p>
<p></p> I'm loving this thread; so mu…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-08:4778851:Comment:3325052012-05-08T19:34:44.362ZRebecca Bhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RebeccaBranham
<p>I'm loving this thread; so much information. But I'm still confused about how things get introduced to a tank. Bacteria (and fungus?) can come via the air, right? But I'm thinking parasites would have to come attached to a fish or in the transport water. So.... the quarantine would need to be in 6 ppt (thanx Jon for that catch) water or proceeded by (an even stronger?) dip?</p>
<p>I'm loving this thread; so much information. But I'm still confused about how things get introduced to a tank. Bacteria (and fungus?) can come via the air, right? But I'm thinking parasites would have to come attached to a fish or in the transport water. So.... the quarantine would need to be in 6 ppt (thanx Jon for that catch) water or proceeded by (an even stronger?) dip?</p> There are other fish diseases…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-08:4778851:Comment:3324182012-05-08T18:34:50.101ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>There are other fish diseases that are ubiquitous (as in almost always in the water but they only strike when the fish are stressed.) Most of these diseases are kinda like the "common cold" except that most of them are bacterial. Things like <b>Columnaris</b> disease which is the main one I've experienced with my fish will strike after doing something to stress or hurt the fish (too much swinging around in the tank with a net) or when water quality suffers or overfeeding incidents…</p>
<p>There are other fish diseases that are ubiquitous (as in almost always in the water but they only strike when the fish are stressed.) Most of these diseases are kinda like the "common cold" except that most of them are bacterial. Things like <b>Columnaris</b> disease which is the main one I've experienced with my fish will strike after doing something to stress or hurt the fish (too much swinging around in the tank with a net) or when water quality suffers or overfeeding incidents occur.</p>
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<p>Ich is the primary issue that makes me recommend quarantine of new fish before putting them in with the general population.</p>
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