Humanely Kill Tilapia for table - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T14:56:25Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/humanely-kill-tilapia-for-table?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A520304&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI agree, but apparently there…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-11:4778851:Comment:5230002013-10-11T18:17:58.801ZDavid - WIhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DavidWI
<p>I agree, but apparently there is some difference in what part of the clove and how it's processed that results in inconsistencies in the components of clove oil.</p>
<p>But, like I said, these are fish that are going to be killed immediately and not sold to anyone... and not released into the wild or even back into a fish tank where they could potentially be treated again and again. The "recovery time" is also irrelevant because they'll be fillets long before the anesthetic would wear…</p>
<p>I agree, but apparently there is some difference in what part of the clove and how it's processed that results in inconsistencies in the components of clove oil.</p>
<p>But, like I said, these are fish that are going to be killed immediately and not sold to anyone... and not released into the wild or even back into a fish tank where they could potentially be treated again and again. The "recovery time" is also irrelevant because they'll be fillets long before the anesthetic would wear off.</p>
<p>The dose and the exposure time are far too small for me to be worried about any ill affects from eating the fish.</p>
<p>More interesting info here: <a href="https://srac.tamu.edu/index.cfm/event/getFactSheet/whichfactsheet/162/">https://srac.tamu.edu/index.cfm/event/getFactSheet/whichfactsheet/162/</a></p>
<p><br/> <cite>Bob Campbell said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/humanely-kill-tilapia-for-table?page=6&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522992&x=1#4778851Comment523014"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Thanks David. I wish they had shown the immediate reaction, but it certainly does not appear to be traumatic or painful.</p>
<p>Makes me wonder why this is not approved for commercial fisheries. It can't be any more harmful than cloves in a ham.</p>
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</blockquote> Clove oil is not approved by…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-11:4778851:Comment:5229922013-10-11T15:46:54.241ZTom Goodrichhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TomGoodrich
<p>Clove oil is not approved by the FDA for treatment of fish. Any such use would be illegal and would result in an adulterated product. And while clove is used, as you say, in candy, bubblegum, soda, etc., it has not been nor ever will be approved by the FDA as a drug, which is what it would be defined as for treatment of fish. Your common sense logic in this case, unfortunately, does not work.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>David - WI said:…</cite></p>
<p>Clove oil is not approved by the FDA for treatment of fish. Any such use would be illegal and would result in an adulterated product. And while clove is used, as you say, in candy, bubblegum, soda, etc., it has not been nor ever will be approved by the FDA as a drug, which is what it would be defined as for treatment of fish. Your common sense logic in this case, unfortunately, does not work.<br/> <br/> <cite>David - WI said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/humanely-kill-tilapia-for-table?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522471&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment522674"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I think for fish that's not being sold, that's also not going to be released but rather killed in the next few minutes... clove oil would be my choice.</p>
<p>It's been shown to sedate fish, we don't really care how consistent the "recovery time" is for the fish because he'll be filleted before he wakes up... and clove oil is used in candy, bubblegum, soda, etc already.</p>
<p>I think you have to keep in mind that this is a "one-time" exposure to clove oil... these are not fish that are being sedated and then measured, counted, tested, graded, or operated on before being released; where they might end up being sedated again and again during their lifetime. These fish are going to be killed and eaten before the sedative wears off.</p>
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</blockquote> There are a bunch of interest…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-11:4778851:Comment:5231082013-10-11T14:06:30.093ZDavid - WIhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DavidWI
<p>There are a bunch of interesting videos: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFk143D0gB8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFk143D0gB8</a></p>
<p>This looks pretty painless: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMf9iJKAEeg">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMf9iJKAEeg</a></p>
<p>Like I said, we couldn't use it anyway; but I would if I was raising fish for myself & my family.</p>
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<p>There are a bunch of interesting videos: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFk143D0gB8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFk143D0gB8</a></p>
<p>This looks pretty painless: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMf9iJKAEeg">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMf9iJKAEeg</a></p>
<p>Like I said, we couldn't use it anyway; but I would if I was raising fish for myself & my family.</p>
<p></p> I'm all for that and I certai…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-10:4778851:Comment:5226762013-10-10T14:54:14.236ZDavid - WIhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DavidWI
<p>I'm all for that and I certainly hope they get it approved so that we can use it commercially... but the original question was about humanely killing fish to eat at home.</p>
<p>With only one place to buy Aqui-S using Aqui-S seems like it would be a lot more trouble than it's worth for the home user compared to clove oil that's readily available almost anywhere.</p>
<p>I'm all for that and I certainly hope they get it approved so that we can use it commercially... but the original question was about humanely killing fish to eat at home.</p>
<p>With only one place to buy Aqui-S using Aqui-S seems like it would be a lot more trouble than it's worth for the home user compared to clove oil that's readily available almost anywhere.</p> I'm thinking Aqui-S could be…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-10:4778851:Comment:5228682013-10-10T14:35:52.800ZSunny Oettelhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SunnyOettel
<p>I'm thinking Aqui-S could be handy for sexing the fish, moving them, and all sorts of things we do, especially the dispatching. It's been tested and approved in other countries. I also like the idea of helping a good product be approved in the US. It looks like we would have good support from the company, too, as we learn how to do these things.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>David - WI said:…</cite></p>
<p>I'm thinking Aqui-S could be handy for sexing the fish, moving them, and all sorts of things we do, especially the dispatching. It's been tested and approved in other countries. I also like the idea of helping a good product be approved in the US. It looks like we would have good support from the company, too, as we learn how to do these things.<br/> <br/> <cite>David - WI said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/humanely-kill-tilapia-for-table?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522674&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment522674"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I think for fish that's not being sold, that's also not going to be released but rather killed in the next few minutes... clove oil would be my choice.</p>
<p>It's been shown to sedate fish, we don't really care how consistent the "recovery time" is for the fish because he'll be filleted before he wakes up... and clove oil is used in candy, bubblegum, soda, etc already.</p>
<p>I think you have to keep in mind that this is a "one-time" exposure to clove oil... these are not fish that are being sedated and then measured, counted, tested, graded, or operated on before being released; where they might end up being sedated again and again during their lifetime. These fish are going to be killed and eaten before the sedative wears off.</p>
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</blockquote> I think for fish that's not b…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-10:4778851:Comment:5226742013-10-10T14:13:22.923ZDavid - WIhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DavidWI
<p>I think for fish that's not being sold, that's also not going to be released but rather killed in the next few minutes... clove oil would be my choice.</p>
<p>It's been shown to sedate fish, we don't really care how consistent the "recovery time" is for the fish because he'll be filleted before he wakes up... and clove oil is used in candy, bubblegum, soda, etc already.</p>
<p>I think you have to keep in mind that this is a "one-time" exposure to clove oil... these are not fish that are…</p>
<p>I think for fish that's not being sold, that's also not going to be released but rather killed in the next few minutes... clove oil would be my choice.</p>
<p>It's been shown to sedate fish, we don't really care how consistent the "recovery time" is for the fish because he'll be filleted before he wakes up... and clove oil is used in candy, bubblegum, soda, etc already.</p>
<p>I think you have to keep in mind that this is a "one-time" exposure to clove oil... these are not fish that are being sedated and then measured, counted, tested, graded, or operated on before being released; where they might end up being sedated again and again during their lifetime. These fish are going to be killed and eaten before the sedative wears off.</p> Hi Guy's,
AQUI-S 20E has been…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-10:4778851:Comment:5227462013-10-10T00:44:23.005ZNic Patonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/NicPaton
<p>Hi Guy's,</p>
<p><font face="Bookman Old Style" size="2">AQUI-S 20E has been developed specifically for the North American market and is only available from our distributors in the US (AquaTactics Fish Health). The active ingredient in AQUI-S 20E is 10% Eugenol (AQUI-S (concentrate) is 50% Isoeugenol). To purchase this product you will need to sign up to the Investigational New Animal Drug (INAD) program. Currently the product has a immediate release claim. Full registration is in…</font></p>
<p>Hi Guy's,</p>
<p><font size="2" face="Bookman Old Style">AQUI-S 20E has been developed specifically for the North American market and is only available from our distributors in the US (AquaTactics Fish Health). The active ingredient in AQUI-S 20E is 10% Eugenol (AQUI-S (concentrate) is 50% Isoeugenol). To purchase this product you will need to sign up to the Investigational New Animal Drug (INAD) program. Currently the product has a immediate release claim. Full registration is in process, however this is proving to be a lengthy process in the USA.<br/></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Bookman Old Style">I would encourage you to contact Tom Goodrich (<a href="http://www.aqui-s.com/index.php/usa" target="_blank">contact details</a>). Tom will be able to help you with your inquiry for AQUI-S 20E directly: <a title="http://aquatactics.com/" href="http://aquatactics.com/">http://aquatactics.com/</a></font></p> The only distributor for Aqui…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-09:4778851:Comment:5226322013-10-09T16:51:23.023ZSunny Oettelhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SunnyOettel
<p>The only distributor for Aqui-S that I can find in the US is in Washington, and the smallest container I can buy from him is a 1 liter container. Does anyone know where I could get a 100 ml container of Aqui-S for my Aquaponic operation?</p>
<p><br></br> <cite>Nic Paton said:…</cite></p>
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<p>The only distributor for Aqui-S that I can find in the US is in Washington, and the smallest container I can buy from him is a 1 liter container. Does anyone know where I could get a 100 ml container of Aqui-S for my Aquaponic operation?</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Nic Paton said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/humanely-kill-tilapia-for-table?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522482&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment522607"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi Sunny. The smallest volume sold is 100 ml which is capable of treating 5,000 L of water at 20 mg/L (20 ml per 1,000 L). </p>
<p>The additional benefit of AQUI-S is that it gives the operator flexibility when it comes to actually killing the fish. Ice may well be an appropriate method to kill the fish following AQUI-S exposure as the sedative effects of AQUI-S removes the trauma and energy exertion associated with a standard ice procedure. The same applies for spiking (Iki Jime -<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.aqui-s.com/index.php/aqui-s-products/iki-jime" target="_blank">http://www.aqui-s.com/index.php/aqui-s-products/iki-jime</a>), percussion or gill cut. </p>
<p>There will be no taste tainting associated with using AQUI-S during harvest. You should however be able to tell the difference between the taste and texture of a stressed fish v's rested fish. The rested fish should be firmer, sweeter (higher muscle pH) and will have a longer shelf life. The better stress is managed prior to harvest and during harvest the better the quality of your final product.</p>
<p>Nic</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Sunny Oettel said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/humanely-kill-tilapia-for-table?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522482&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment522471"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Thank you, Nic, this is wonderful news. I'm telling all my aquaponic friends and teacher about this product. I really didn't want to have to deal with the fish banging around for 15-20 min until they died in an ice chest (which WAS my plan, until I found out how violently they would react to the ice water). What is the smallest package of Aqui-S a person might buy? (I'm still a really small operation)<br/> <br/> <cite>Nic Paton said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/humanely-kill-tilapia-for-table?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522467&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment522467"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><strong>Hi Sunny.</strong> AQUI-S has no Methyleugenol. AQUI-S is a very controlled GMP produced product containing 50% Isoeugenol and 50% excipients to allow the Isoeugenol oil to disperse in water and be available for gill perfusion. There are no other compounds present in AQUI-S. I unfortunately do not know enough about Methyleugenol to comment any further on its toxicity or carcinogenicity. </p>
<p>AQUI-S is available to everyone. In some regions there are some rules around purchase but we can help with that should after we get an inquiry. We have distributors located in various countries (See our distributor page <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.aqui-s.com/index.php/distributors" target="_blank">HERE</a>) and where no distributors are appointed we can sell direct from New Zealand. </p>
<p>The beauty of AQUI-S is that only small concentrations are needed to anesthetize fish. Typically for handling you will need between 20 - 30 mg/L, which is equivalent to 20 - 30 ml per 1,000 L of water.</p>
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</blockquote> That is a GREAT question. Ho…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-09:4778851:Comment:5226232013-10-09T15:26:39.598ZSunny Oettelhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SunnyOettel
<p>That is a GREAT question. How about it, Nic?<br></br> <br></br> <cite>David - WI said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/humanely-kill-tilapia-for-table?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522551&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment522551"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>So, what about using Aqui-S 20E prior to harvesting fish for sale as food? Supposedly there were NO sedatives approved here in the US?</p>
<p>I think it's a fantastic idea...…</p>
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<p>That is a GREAT question. How about it, Nic?<br/> <br/> <cite>David - WI said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/humanely-kill-tilapia-for-table?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522551&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment522551"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>So, what about using Aqui-S 20E prior to harvesting fish for sale as food? Supposedly there were NO sedatives approved here in the US?</p>
<p>I think it's a fantastic idea... but it has to be legal, too.</p>
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</blockquote> So, what about using Aqui-S 2…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-09:4778851:Comment:5225512013-10-09T12:27:52.529ZDavid - WIhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DavidWI
<p>So, what about using Aqui-S 20E prior to harvesting fish for sale as food? Supposedly there were NO sedatives approved here in the US?</p>
<p>I think it's a fantastic idea... but it has to be legal, too.</p>
<p>So, what about using Aqui-S 20E prior to harvesting fish for sale as food? Supposedly there were NO sedatives approved here in the US?</p>
<p>I think it's a fantastic idea... but it has to be legal, too.</p>