How harmful are API Products? - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T06:01:08Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/how-harmful-are-api-products?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A576893&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks for the link!tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-10-07:4778851:Comment:5819512014-10-07T15:06:46.089ZCarson Millerhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/CarsonMiller
<p>Thanks for the link!</p>
<p>Thanks for the link!</p> Carson,
I found a discussion …tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-10-06:4778851:Comment:5818532014-10-06T22:21:53.533ZPam DeLonghttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/PamDeLong
<p>Carson,</p>
<p>I found a discussion <strong><a href="http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/showthread.php?5058-Ascorbic-acid-to-remove-chloramine" target="_blank">here</a></strong> about that (Tropical Aquarium website). Consensus seems to be not advised.</p>
<p>RE: the RV hose filter previously mentioned...I purchased one of these to do a 75% water change in my 55 gal tank full of baby tilapia. They are thriving very nicely. I used a small pump, dropped into some netting to keep the babies from…</p>
<p>Carson,</p>
<p>I found a discussion <strong><a href="http://www.tropicalaquarium.co.za/showthread.php?5058-Ascorbic-acid-to-remove-chloramine" target="_blank">here</a></strong> about that (Tropical Aquarium website). Consensus seems to be not advised.</p>
<p>RE: the RV hose filter previously mentioned...I purchased one of these to do a 75% water change in my 55 gal tank full of baby tilapia. They are thriving very nicely. I used a small pump, dropped into some netting to keep the babies from being sucked in, with the attached hose inserted in a length of PVC - out the window to some plants. At the other end of the tank, coming through the window, is the garden hose with the RV Filter attached. The swap-out goes nicely...fish don't seem to be stressed out at all...in fact they 'romp' in the incoming stream.</p> Has anyone else been using as…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-10-04:4778851:Comment:5818142014-10-04T22:21:44.309ZCarson Millerhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/CarsonMiller
<p>Has anyone else been using ascorbic acid to remove chlorine from their water?</p>
<p>Has anyone else been using ascorbic acid to remove chlorine from their water?</p> YAY!!
This is what I heard ba…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-03:4778851:Comment:5771592014-09-03T18:44:08.808ZPam DeLonghttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/PamDeLong
<p>YAY!!</p>
<p>This is what I heard back from a respected professor with the UofA Aquaponics course (printed here with his permission):</p>
<blockquote><p>"Hi Pam,<br></br><br></br>I agree with the majority of the comments regarding the API products. They are not willing to make any claims for food safety of fish for human consumption as they would need to invest significant amounts to get approvals. And the market is still small.<br></br><br></br>As Tucson water does use chloramines, you will need extra time…</p>
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<p>YAY!!</p>
<p>This is what I heard back from a respected professor with the UofA Aquaponics course (printed here with his permission):</p>
<blockquote><p>"Hi Pam,<br/><br/>I agree with the majority of the comments regarding the API products. They are not willing to make any claims for food safety of fish for human consumption as they would need to invest significant amounts to get approvals. And the market is still small.<br/><br/>As Tucson water does use chloramines, you will need extra time to aerate the compound out when you do a big water exchange. But adding a few gallons at a time will not hurt fish at all. In fact, if water is green you would have to add a lot of tap water before there would be any chloramine left to bother the fish. The RV hose filter is interesting. Not sure how much chloramine it can remove in a short time, but I do not see any downside to using it.<br/><br/>Regarding the safety of the API de-chlor and other products. I would have no qualms about eating the fish myself or feeding to family and friends.<br/><br/>By the way, I work a lot in China with the tilapia farmers. And I have eaten vast amounts of the fish and trust it."</p>
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Everyt…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-02:4778851:Comment:5772602014-09-02T22:26:29.774ZPam DeLonghttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/PamDeLong
<p>RE: API returned call.</p>
<p>Everything she said, as I expected was vague. She indicated that studies had not been done with reference to food-fish, but that if one of your pets happen to drink some of the water it probably wouldn't pose a problem ('safe'). I asked her if the company was simply unwilling to go through the hoops and expense to be approved by the FDA, EPA, etc and she verified affirmatively. (Was kinda surprised by that admission!). So, I thanked her and indicated I would not…</p>
<p>RE: API returned call.</p>
<p>Everything she said, as I expected was vague. She indicated that studies had not been done with reference to food-fish, but that if one of your pets happen to drink some of the water it probably wouldn't pose a problem ('safe'). I asked her if the company was simply unwilling to go through the hoops and expense to be approved by the FDA, EPA, etc and she verified affirmatively. (Was kinda surprised by that admission!). So, I thanked her and indicated I would not be purchaseing any further API products.</p>
<p>Still need to look up info on the UofA program...</p> Excellent! I see Walmart carr…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-02:4778851:Comment:5770772014-09-02T19:33:29.876ZPam DeLonghttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/PamDeLong
<p>Excellent! I see Walmart carries a Camco filter that runs about $15...sounds like a good investment!</p>
<p>I was unavailable when API called me back; they left a message that further reiterated not using API products for food-fish. I called the landline back and got the same 'leave a message' runaround I got with the 800#...left another message...hopefully, I'll be able to take the next call.</p>
<p>A co-worker made a couple of suggestions: (1) call the EPA and see if they can shed any…</p>
<p>Excellent! I see Walmart carries a Camco filter that runs about $15...sounds like a good investment!</p>
<p>I was unavailable when API called me back; they left a message that further reiterated not using API products for food-fish. I called the landline back and got the same 'leave a message' runaround I got with the 800#...left another message...hopefully, I'll be able to take the next call.</p>
<p>A co-worker made a couple of suggestions: (1) call the EPA and see if they can shed any light on this; (2) contact the (local) University of Arizona (which has an Aquaponics course) to see what they know, and/or if they'd take one of my tilapia for testing purposes.</p>
<p>Will update here as I know more...</p>
<p>Thanks everyone!</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Jonathan Kadish NYC AA Chair said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/how-harmful-are-api-products?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A577045&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment577045"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Pam,</p>
<p>I have been using an RV hose filter to remove chlorine from NYC tap water. Some are rated to last 50,000 gallons and they are in the $20 - $50 range. Useful when you don't have a tank to let your water sit or don't have the time. Many remove chlorine and chloromine as well as other nasties.</p>
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I have been using an RV…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-02:4778851:Comment:5770452014-09-02T03:49:56.255ZJonathan Kadish NYC AA Chairhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonathanKadish
<p>Pam,</p>
<p>I have been using an RV hose filter to remove chlorine from NYC tap water. Some are rated to last 50,000 gallons and they are in the $20 - $50 range. Useful when you don't have a tank to let your water sit or don't have the time. Many remove chlorine and chloromine as well as other nasties.</p>
<p>Pam,</p>
<p>I have been using an RV hose filter to remove chlorine from NYC tap water. Some are rated to last 50,000 gallons and they are in the $20 - $50 range. Useful when you don't have a tank to let your water sit or don't have the time. Many remove chlorine and chloromine as well as other nasties.</p> Yeah, see that's the whole qu…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-01:4778851:Comment:5770322014-09-01T19:40:37.368ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>Yeah, see that's the whole quandary isn't it? </p>
<p>"Should be"..."lawyers talking" etc...etc...etc...</p>
<p>While that kind of stuff happens quite often, that that being, a company not hiring and paying for professional "hoop-jumpers" to obtain certificates for perfectly 'certifiable' substances/products...we don't really know if that's the case in this instance or not...do we?</p>
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<p>Rob, the "<em>should just be an extract</em>" portion of the API product you spoke of is just…</p>
<p>Yeah, see that's the whole quandary isn't it? </p>
<p>"Should be"..."lawyers talking" etc...etc...etc...</p>
<p>While that kind of stuff happens quite often, that that being, a company not hiring and paying for professional "hoop-jumpers" to obtain certificates for perfectly 'certifiable' substances/products...we don't really know if that's the case in this instance or not...do we?</p>
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<p>Rob, the "<em>should just be an extract</em>" portion of the API product you spoke of is just one component (1 to 10% by weight) and has a CAS No 85507-69-3 and is an aloe extract with known composition etc...The other component of said product (also 1 to 10% by weight HAS NO CAS no. and is listed as 'PROPRIETARY ingredient', or (blend of ingredients). So that makes it really, <em>really </em>difficult to make any claims to safety...or un-safety. Make sense? </p>
<p>I'm not saying that it is, or that it isn't fit for use on fish intended to be consumed by humans...all I'm saying is that it's not really possible to make a decision one way or another without, even knowing what the one out of the two major active ingredients are (the other 80% of said product is water)...</p>
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<p>But yes, it is very expensive and time consuming to jump through those, and other regulatory hoops...but then, some things just aren't fit for use for human consumption...who's to say when the information (ingredient list) is lacking..?</p>
<p>What about us who have not, or do not ever eat at TGI Fridays, Chililes and certainly try not to "eat worse" Just sayin'<img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></p> Thanks for the encouragement…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-01:4778851:Comment:5769962014-09-01T19:19:49.069ZPam DeLonghttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/PamDeLong
<p>Thanks for the encouragement guys...and I'm in total agreement about the fish from China!</p>
<p>The white tilapia we had in 2013 were indeed, quite tasty...certainly better than store-bought! Made for really good fish burritos! We weren't aware then of what we are now...</p>
<p>I will go ahead and fill the big tank, as originally planned...let it sit until tomorrow...and add the smaller ones back in. Where it all goes from there depends on answers tomorrow.</p>
<p>Really trying not to let…</p>
<p>Thanks for the encouragement guys...and I'm in total agreement about the fish from China!</p>
<p>The white tilapia we had in 2013 were indeed, quite tasty...certainly better than store-bought! Made for really good fish burritos! We weren't aware then of what we are now...</p>
<p>I will go ahead and fill the big tank, as originally planned...let it sit until tomorrow...and add the smaller ones back in. Where it all goes from there depends on answers tomorrow.</p>
<p>Really trying not to let this get to me...hubby is very hesitant to eat the fish unless we get a definitive reply.</p> i talked with a de chlorintor…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-01:4778851:Comment:5772042014-09-01T18:50:11.797ZRob Nashhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RobNash
<p>i talked with a de chlorintor manufacturer on this subject.. he claimed the product wouldn't harm humans,, that it was a labeling thing..</p>
<p>the product with barely should be harmless.,, it should just be an extract..</p>
<p>federal labeling laws have this and the fertilizer industry jumping through all kinds of hoops to avoid expensive testing for</p>
<p>i would simply stop using any treatments, but dont sweat it otherwise.. if youve had tilapia at TGI Fridays, or Chillies, or any other…</p>
<p>i talked with a de chlorintor manufacturer on this subject.. he claimed the product wouldn't harm humans,, that it was a labeling thing..</p>
<p>the product with barely should be harmless.,, it should just be an extract..</p>
<p>federal labeling laws have this and the fertilizer industry jumping through all kinds of hoops to avoid expensive testing for</p>
<p>i would simply stop using any treatments, but dont sweat it otherwise.. if youve had tilapia at TGI Fridays, or Chillies, or any other chain restaurant that uses frozen fillets from China and beyond, you've probably eaten worst</p>