Help with Identifying types of bugs - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T08:47:11Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/help-with-identifying-types-of-bugs?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A306344&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOH mf. firefox just crashed a…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-28:4778851:Comment:3120962012-03-28T22:27:29.147ZSteve Manninghttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SteveManning
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<p>I never really saw any of them grow wings, fly away or turn into anything. My plants are pretty much bug free. Plants are looking good. I did see a bunch of hardened/dried up (that did not "go into hiding"). They were yellow and looked like tiny larva. Maybe they came from the trees, from that brown seed looking crap that went EVERYWHERE. I did find them things on everything if you looked long enough. Found…</p>
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<p>I never really saw any of them grow wings, fly away or turn into anything. My plants are pretty much bug free. Plants are looking good. I did see a bunch of hardened/dried up (that did not "go into hiding"). They were yellow and looked like tiny larva. Maybe they came from the trees, from that brown seed looking crap that went EVERYWHERE. I did find them things on everything if you looked long enough. Found them 40 feet away on shovel handles, fences, etc. </p>
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<p>Cayenne pepper huh. Worth a shot. Even building a pvc green house gonna cost me a couple hundred. Good thing the wife is on my side <a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></a></p>
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<p>Thanks for all the help guys!</p> Steve when you say "cleared u…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-22:4778851:Comment:3095842012-03-22T23:57:06.497ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>Steve when you say "cleared up"...you mean, grew into fully winged adults and flew away? Cuz these things go into a phase after their second pupal instar (where yours seemed to be at when you took the photos) where they quit feeding, and go into hiding and become totally inactive (hiding in any dark crevices) and then emerge as "full grown adults"...This only takes a day or two...hopefully they've cleared out though, like you said...<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Steve Manning…</cite></p>
<p>Steve when you say "cleared up"...you mean, grew into fully winged adults and flew away? Cuz these things go into a phase after their second pupal instar (where yours seemed to be at when you took the photos) where they quit feeding, and go into hiding and become totally inactive (hiding in any dark crevices) and then emerge as "full grown adults"...This only takes a day or two...hopefully they've cleared out though, like you said...<br/> <br/> <cite>Steve Manning said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/help-with-identifying-types-of-bugs?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A305670&page=3#4778851Comment309487"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hey guys. Just wanted to let you know those lil bastards pretty much cleared up on their own. Guess the universe did owe me a favor cause I am a cool guy. Still ate some of my plants before they left....</p>
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<p>Now I gotta battle with the F in squirrels eating my corn. I swear this is turning into a full time job. Gonna put my desk outside with my pellet gun next to me.</p>
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</blockquote> Try bird Netting on a light w…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-22:4778851:Comment:3097732012-03-22T22:34:40.683ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Try bird Netting on a light weight frame over the garden area to see if that helps against the squirrels. I've had a terrible time with them too.</p>
<p>Try bird Netting on a light weight frame over the garden area to see if that helps against the squirrels. I've had a terrible time with them too.</p> Hey guys. Just wanted to let…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-22:4778851:Comment:3094872012-03-22T16:07:54.534ZSteve Manninghttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SteveManning
<p>Hey guys. Just wanted to let you know those lil bastards pretty much cleared up on their own. Guess the universe did owe me a favor cause I am a cool guy. Still ate some of my plants before they left....</p>
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<p>Now I gotta battle with the F in squirrels eating my corn. I swear this is turning into a full time job. Gonna put my desk outside with my pellet gun next to me.</p>
<p>Hey guys. Just wanted to let you know those lil bastards pretty much cleared up on their own. Guess the universe did owe me a favor cause I am a cool guy. Still ate some of my plants before they left....</p>
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<p>Now I gotta battle with the F in squirrels eating my corn. I swear this is turning into a full time job. Gonna put my desk outside with my pellet gun next to me.</p> try using diatomaceous earth…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-22:4778851:Comment:3094222012-03-22T00:43:03.723Zmary proctorhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/maryproctor
<p>try using diatomaceous earth food grade with a puffer. It won't hurt the fish but will kill the pests.</p>
<p>try using diatomaceous earth food grade with a puffer. It won't hurt the fish but will kill the pests.</p> I'd be real interested in how…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-18:4778851:Comment:3075932012-03-18T04:41:20.973ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>I'd be real interested in how that works out with the fish, since it does seem to put the hurt on so many different greenhouse pests...</p>
<p>Well here's where it gets confusing...There are 50 or 60 synonyms (scientific names) for the 'two spotted/red mite' sometimes they are referred to as one species sometimes as two? I do know that after the mites with the two spots goes into hibernation, some come out red. Adding to my (and probably some of the literature's in some cases) confusion...So…</p>
<p>I'd be real interested in how that works out with the fish, since it does seem to put the hurt on so many different greenhouse pests...</p>
<p>Well here's where it gets confusing...There are 50 or 60 synonyms (scientific names) for the 'two spotted/red mite' sometimes they are referred to as one species sometimes as two? I do know that after the mites with the two spots goes into hibernation, some come out red. Adding to my (and probably some of the literature's in some cases) confusion...So I've gone to calling them "red spider mites" even if they aren't red at the time...So who knows...anyways red or spotted, I pretty much start trying to destroy 'em as soon as I notice them, because one thing I am not confused on, is that the earlier I've been able to catch them, the easier it was to get rid of them and the less plants I've lost.</p> Yes, Vlad, I hate the term po…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-17:4778851:Comment:3074432012-03-17T22:09:30.430ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
Yes, Vlad, I hate the term potential too. I can't guess what a parasitic bug fungus would do to a fish, especially since it is primarily found in soil in nature, which means it is constantly being washed into wild waterways. That's why it is so effective against non-soil plant pests, as most of them have no defense. I'm going to try some anyway, because I believe it will "potentially" put the hurt on white flies and mites.<br />
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So, you've got red mites, eh? Thank goodness I only have two-spot…
Yes, Vlad, I hate the term potential too. I can't guess what a parasitic bug fungus would do to a fish, especially since it is primarily found in soil in nature, which means it is constantly being washed into wild waterways. That's why it is so effective against non-soil plant pests, as most of them have no defense. I'm going to try some anyway, because I believe it will "potentially" put the hurt on white flies and mites.<br />
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So, you've got red mites, eh? Thank goodness I only have two-spot mites (not that they are any better). Well, when’s the last time yo…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-17:4778851:Comment:3073572012-03-17T20:13:03.191ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>Well, when’s the last time you saw a Sci-Fi B-Movie where the plan came off without a hitch? <img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"></img></p>
<p>Bees…Sure they’re responsible for the proliferation of good majority of plant life (and therefore all life) here on the planet…but really, what have they done for us lately?</p>
<p>Man, I hate it when manufacturers say stuff like “<em>potentially</em>” I never know exactly whether to, and under what circumstances to worry (or not... are they just avoiding "<em>potential"…</em></p>
<p>Well, when’s the last time you saw a Sci-Fi B-Movie where the plan came off without a hitch? <img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></p>
<p>Bees…Sure they’re responsible for the proliferation of good majority of plant life (and therefore all life) here on the planet…but really, what have they done for us lately?</p>
<p>Man, I hate it when manufacturers say stuff like “<em>potentially</em>” I never know exactly whether to, and under what circumstances to worry (or not... are they just avoiding "<em>potential"</em> litigation, or no?) A table spoon of tap water is “potentially” lethal to me, but only if it goes down the wrong tube…Anyways, it’s probably just best to avoid the</p>
<p>B. bassiana I suppose unless someone can shed more light on the fish side, and/or you have a bunch of killer bees buzzing around…</p>
<p>@Randall...Steve pretty much ruled out springtails with the 'threatening needle trick'...they didn't spring away...and he alluded to seeing wings on one of them. Springtails don't have wings...</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/help-with-identifying-types-of-bugs?x=1&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A305670&page=2#4778851Comment307203"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Thanks for that, Vlad. One potential glitch with the parasitic fungi, though;<br/> <br/> "Environmental safety is good. These products are generally non-toxic to beneficial insects, however, applications to areas where bees are actively foraging should be avoided. Beauveria products should not be applied to water, as they are potentially toxic to fish."<br/> I know BT is fish safe, curious why beauveria bassiana isn't.<br/> <br/> Yea, and the universe owes me some whitefly control, too. P-)</div>
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</blockquote> Thanks for that, Vlad. One po…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-16:4778851:Comment:3072032012-03-16T16:40:40.549ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
Thanks for that, Vlad. One potential glitch with the parasitic fungi, though;<br />
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"Environmental safety is good. These products are generally non-toxic to beneficial insects, however, applications to areas where bees are actively foraging should be avoided. Beauveria products should not be applied to water, as they are potentially toxic to fish."<br />
I know BT is fish safe, curious why beauveria bassiana isn't.<br />
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Yea, and the universe owes me some whitefly control, too. P-)
Thanks for that, Vlad. One potential glitch with the parasitic fungi, though;<br />
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"Environmental safety is good. These products are generally non-toxic to beneficial insects, however, applications to areas where bees are actively foraging should be avoided. Beauveria products should not be applied to water, as they are potentially toxic to fish."<br />
I know BT is fish safe, curious why beauveria bassiana isn't.<br />
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Yea, and the universe owes me some whitefly control, too. P-) Yeah I'd have to go with Thri…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-16:4778851:Comment:3067002012-03-16T02:03:27.000ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>Yeah I'd have to go with Thrips that are in there second pupal instar phase... Apparently these things do not go through a complete stage of metamorphosis, only partially...you might notice (if your around) them stop feeding or moving much...after that happens they will emerge with wing buds (sound like might have you've seen ONE at that stage (or later stage even) already, they're not yet adults at that stage but are developing along...</p>
<p>Don't harbor any fantasy hope that Ladybugs…</p>
<p>Yeah I'd have to go with Thrips that are in there second pupal instar phase... Apparently these things do not go through a complete stage of metamorphosis, only partially...you might notice (if your around) them stop feeding or moving much...after that happens they will emerge with wing buds (sound like might have you've seen ONE at that stage (or later stage even) already, they're not yet adults at that stage but are developing along...</p>
<p>Don't harbor any fantasy hope that Ladybugs will do you any good (sorry)...It would seem 'conventional' wisdom gives you two types of options. Each of these options contains a choice of more sub-options...</p>
<p>Parasitic fungus or, biological (predatory) control. (But be sure to look into Jons predatory nematodes as well).</p>
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<p>On the fungus side you have... Beauveria bassiana and Verticillium lacanii</p>
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<p>On biological control through predation you have...</p>
<p>Aphid Wasps (Trichogrammatidae), some other stuff I'll skip...and go right to whats becoming my personal favorite predatory mite (I'm ordering my first batch for the new greenhouse as part of a prevention program)</p>
<p><strong>PHYTOSEIID MITES</strong>...</p>
<p>These hungry little buggers are good for a number common greenhouse pests including your (well what we think are) Thrips...as well as the bane of my food growing existence, Red Spider Mites...<img src="http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad93/ucsycybersmiley/40.gif"/></p>
<p>And it seems like any place that sells that sort of thing will carry Phytoseiid predatory mites...so they should be easy to buy...</p>
<p>I personally like the whole potential for Sci-Fi, B-movie atmosphere that comes with using the parasitic fungus... not to mention the fact that <strong>Beauveria bassiana</strong> should take care of many, <em>many</em>, MANY species of pests, apparently within days of exposure (through white muscardine disease)...probably quicker, and has a way broader range of targets than predatory mites/wasps...</p>
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<p>Of coarse you <em>could</em> just do nothing and hope that as soon as they grow wings the wind will carry them off to some other place because you're a pretty cool guy and the Universe 'owes you one'. </p>
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