Harbor Freight Pump Warning - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T05:58:24Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/harbor-freight-pump-warning?groupUrl=sacramento-aquaponics&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A544767&groupId=4778851%3AGroup%3A267200&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI will look at your videos, w…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-15:4778851:Comment:5482112014-02-15T02:42:13.789ZJanet Littlehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JanetLittle
<p>I will look at your videos, we are in the final stages of constructing our new wood 7x 3 gravel beds so I will need to do it soon. I am leaning towards the idea because I have such bad luck with the other pumps. Thanks Bob.</p>
<p>I will look at your videos, we are in the final stages of constructing our new wood 7x 3 gravel beds so I will need to do it soon. I am leaning towards the idea because I have such bad luck with the other pumps. Thanks Bob.</p> Thanks Bob. I like the speci…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-03:4778851:Comment:5452862014-02-03T22:07:54.320ZPaul Trudeauhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/PaulTrudeau
<p>Thanks Bob. I like the specific tech specs!<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Bob Campbell said:</cite></p>
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<p>Air lift pumps do not require engineering skills.</p>
<p>Use an Eco Plus 7. Submerge a 1/2" PVC airline inside of a 2" PVC pipe 3'…</p>
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<p>Thanks Bob. I like the specific tech specs!<br/> <br/> <cite>Bob Campbell said:</cite></p>
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<p>Air lift pumps do not require engineering skills.</p>
<p>Use an Eco Plus 7. Submerge a 1/2" PVC airline inside of a 2" PVC pipe 3' to 4' deep. Keep the lift under 12" and you will pump well over 1000 gph. I'm certain you can go higher but the lower lift the better. Building this air lift pump costs less then ten dollars plus a $130 air pump which is something you will probably want even if you are pumping with a mechanical pump. Air lifts are simple, never clog, or break down. The Eco Plus has been a solid performer for me. It runs cool and pumps air about 7' deep at 200 lpm with zero head. Hydrofarm pumps run hot and do not pump as much air. The [<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.matalausa.com/prod182.html" target="_blank">Hakko HK-25LP</a>] is smaller but it's quieter and more expensive. Life expectancy is 15 years. Keep in mind that air can be piped out to the garden leaving the air pump in a remote dry location where noise is not going to be a problem.</p>
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<p>My <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/user/laughinbob" target="_blank">[YouTube site</a>] has a lot of air lift videos.</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Janet Little said:</cite></p>
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<p>I do like the idea of using the air lift pump but my engineering skills are very low.</p>
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</blockquote> Air lift pumps do not requir…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-03:4778851:Comment:5454082014-02-03T18:06:03.252ZBob Campbellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BobCampbell
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<p>Air lift pumps do not require engineering skills.</p>
<p>Use an Eco Plus 7. Submerge a 1/2" PVC airline inside of a 2" PVC pipe 3' to 4' deep. Keep the lift under 12" and you will pump well over 1000 gph. I'm certain you can go higher but the lower lift the better. Building this air lift pump costs less then ten dollars plus a $130 air pump which is something you will probably want even if you are pumping with a mechanical pump. Air lifts are simple, never clog, or break down. …</p>
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<p>Air lift pumps do not require engineering skills.</p>
<p>Use an Eco Plus 7. Submerge a 1/2" PVC airline inside of a 2" PVC pipe 3' to 4' deep. Keep the lift under 12" and you will pump well over 1000 gph. I'm certain you can go higher but the lower lift the better. Building this air lift pump costs less then ten dollars plus a $130 air pump which is something you will probably want even if you are pumping with a mechanical pump. Air lifts are simple, never clog, or break down. The Eco Plus has been a solid performer for me. It runs cool and pumps air about 7' deep at 200 lpm with zero head. Hydrofarm pumps run hot and do not pump as much air. The [<a href="http://www.matalausa.com/prod182.html" target="_blank">Hakko HK-25LP</a>] is smaller but it's quieter and more expensive. Life expectancy is 15 years. Keep in mind that air can be piped out to the garden leaving the air pump in a remote dry location where noise is not going to be a problem.</p>
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<p>My <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/laughinbob" target="_blank">[YouTube site</a>] has a lot of air lift videos.</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Janet Little said:</cite></p>
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<p>I do like the idea of using the air lift pump but my engineering skills are very low.</p>
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</blockquote> Thanks everyone, I was using…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-03:4778851:Comment:5452532014-02-03T17:11:41.034ZJanet Littlehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JanetLittle
<p>Thanks everyone, I was using a large pump 1600 GPM to accommodate the strawberry towers but they are too tough to deal with in the heat of the summer so I am removing them. My next system will have 2, 3 by 8 wooden gravel beds and 2, 4 by 6 raft beds with 2 sumps made from the left over IBCs and an IBC fish tank so I will have to figure it out again. </p>
<p>I do like the idea of using the air lift pump but my engineering skills are very low.</p>
<p>I am getting started now with the system…</p>
<p>Thanks everyone, I was using a large pump 1600 GPM to accommodate the strawberry towers but they are too tough to deal with in the heat of the summer so I am removing them. My next system will have 2, 3 by 8 wooden gravel beds and 2, 4 by 6 raft beds with 2 sumps made from the left over IBCs and an IBC fish tank so I will have to figure it out again. </p>
<p>I do like the idea of using the air lift pump but my engineering skills are very low.</p>
<p>I am getting started now with the system because my baby tilapia in the garage have started breeding and are growing too fast and my neighbor gave me some crawfish which prefer to eat each other so I need to get them all outdoors.</p>
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<p>Thanks Fishy for the link to the pump on Craigslist I will call today and see if it is still available. Otherwise I will look at the other pumps that have been recommended.<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/></a></p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Bob Campbell said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/harbor-freight-pump-warning?groupUrl=sacramento-aquaponics&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A544863&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment545135"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>The pump Fishy recommended is a great pump and the price is spectacular, but 1200 GPH is a lot of water and so is 110W. </p>
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<p>I just finished building a bioponic system - a 47"x160" <a rel="nofollow" href="http://chicoaquaponic.blogspot.com/2013/09/earthan-beds.html" target="_blank">Earthan Bed</a> garden with a <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.amazon.com/Danner-Mag-Drive-Supreme-Water-Pump/dp/B0002564JE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391241747&sr=8-1&keywords=model+5+utility+pump" target="_blank">Danner Model 5 utility pump</a>. I agree with <a rel="nofollow" href="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/group/sacramento-aquaponics/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=22g005cuur8kp" class="fn url">Jessica Johnson</a> these are great pumps. At 30 cents per KWH. Even the Model 5 will cost about a penny per hour. </p>
<p>So with energy in mind I'm also building another bioponic 47"x160" <a rel="nofollow" href="http://chicoaquaponic.blogspot.com/2013/09/earthan-beds.html" target="_blank">Earthan Bed</a> garden that uses an 8W <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hydroponics.net/i/211002" target="_blank">General Hydroponics pump</a> to move the water using with an air lift pump . This air pump is extremely quite as well as economical to run, It's also one of the few air pumps that offers rebuild kits.</p>
<p>Bioponic systems are less complicated and less expensive as there are no fish to feed or look after. The cost of fish food and pumping large amounts of water really should be weighed against the benefits of raising fish.</p>
<p>This is why my aquaponics garden also uses a 200 lpm EcoPlus 7 air pump running at 93W and air lift pump to move water. Air lifts are my first choice.</p>
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</blockquote> The pump Fishy recommended is…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-01:4778851:Comment:5451352014-02-01T08:35:14.083ZBob Campbellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BobCampbell
<p>The pump Fishy recommended is a great pump and the price is spectacular, but 1200 GPH is a lot of water and so is 110W. </p>
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<p>I just finished building a bioponic system - a 47"x160" <a href="http://chicoaquaponic.blogspot.com/2013/09/earthan-beds.html" target="_blank">Earthan Bed</a> garden with a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Danner-Mag-Drive-Supreme-Water-Pump/dp/B0002564JE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391241747&sr=8-1&keywords=model+5+utility+pump" target="_blank">Danner…</a></p>
<p>The pump Fishy recommended is a great pump and the price is spectacular, but 1200 GPH is a lot of water and so is 110W. </p>
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<p>I just finished building a bioponic system - a 47"x160" <a href="http://chicoaquaponic.blogspot.com/2013/09/earthan-beds.html" target="_blank">Earthan Bed</a> garden with a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Danner-Mag-Drive-Supreme-Water-Pump/dp/B0002564JE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391241747&sr=8-1&keywords=model+5+utility+pump" target="_blank">Danner Model 5 utility pump</a>. I agree with <a href="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/group/sacramento-aquaponics/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=22g005cuur8kp" class="fn url">Jessica Johnson</a> these are great pumps. At 30 cents per KWH. Even the Model 5 will cost about a penny per hour. </p>
<p>So with energy in mind I'm also building another bioponic 47"x160" <a href="http://chicoaquaponic.blogspot.com/2013/09/earthan-beds.html" target="_blank">Earthan Bed</a> garden that uses an 8W <a href="http://www.hydroponics.net/i/211002" target="_blank">General Hydroponics pump</a> to move the water using with an air lift pump . This air pump is extremely quite as well as economical to run, It's also one of the few air pumps that offers rebuild kits.</p>
<p>Bioponic systems are less complicated and less expensive as there are no fish to feed or look after. The cost of fish food and pumping large amounts of water really should be weighed against the benefits of raising fish.</p>
<p>This is why my aquaponics garden also uses a 200 lpm EcoPlus 7 air pump running at 93W and air lift pump to move water. Air lifts are my first choice.</p>
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<p></p> I was looking on craigslist f…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-01:4778851:Comment:5448632014-02-01T03:49:05.180ZFishy McFishersonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/FishyMcFisherson
<p>I was looking on craigslist for something else and found <a rel="nofollow" href="http://sacramento.craigslist.org/for/4273647657.html" target="_blank">THIS PUMP</a> for sale. I don't know what your GPH requirement is, but if this is too large, you can always divert the extra flow back to the fish tank for additional aeration. If you're not interested, I may buy it as a backup.</p>
<p>I was looking on craigslist for something else and found <a rel="nofollow" href="http://sacramento.craigslist.org/for/4273647657.html" target="_blank">THIS PUMP</a> for sale. I don't know what your GPH requirement is, but if this is too large, you can always divert the extra flow back to the fish tank for additional aeration. If you're not interested, I may buy it as a backup.</p> The can be removed by skimmin…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-01-30:4778851:Comment:5447872014-01-30T22:58:08.093ZBob Campbellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BobCampbell
<p>The can be removed by skimming. I too have had this happen and it did not kill my fish. It is called transformer oil and it probably does not contain PCB as those were banned back it the 1970's. </p>
<p>The oil is most likely an ester which is not toxic to fish and it will eventually biodegrade. Just clean it up an consider an airlift pump or oil free pump. </p>
<p>The can be removed by skimming. I too have had this happen and it did not kill my fish. It is called transformer oil and it probably does not contain PCB as those were banned back it the 1970's. </p>
<p>The oil is most likely an ester which is not toxic to fish and it will eventually biodegrade. Just clean it up an consider an airlift pump or oil free pump. </p> ohhh! bumMER, Janet! Hang i…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-01-30:4778851:Comment:5448252014-01-30T20:38:38.008ZPaul Trudeauhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/PaulTrudeau
<p>ohhh! bumMER, Janet! Hang in there and thanks for the warning to others. I've been using Rio pumps, no problems.</p>
<p>ohhh! bumMER, Janet! Hang in there and thanks for the warning to others. I've been using Rio pumps, no problems.</p> I have a Danner MD5 and could…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-01-30:4778851:Comment:5447762014-01-30T19:04:30.835ZJessica Johnsonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JessicaM
I have a Danner MD5 and couldnt be happier with it. I buy mine thru aquaticeco.com because they stand behind their products 100% and they know aquatics :) Amazon and eBay have them too. Compared to the $80 you spent at Harbor Freight the Danner pumps are a steal :)<br />
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I am sorry about your system, we spend so much time on them it's horrible to see someone loose the whole thing. Good luck with rebuilding!
I have a Danner MD5 and couldnt be happier with it. I buy mine thru aquaticeco.com because they stand behind their products 100% and they know aquatics :) Amazon and eBay have them too. Compared to the $80 you spent at Harbor Freight the Danner pumps are a steal :)<br />
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I am sorry about your system, we spend so much time on them it's horrible to see someone loose the whole thing. Good luck with rebuilding! I've had very good luck with…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-01-30:4778851:Comment:5449092014-01-30T18:21:00.558ZFishy McFishersonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/FishyMcFisherson
<p>I've had very good luck with the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=danner+pump&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Adanner+pump" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Danner Mag-Drive</a> pumps, they are fairly quiet, can be used submerged or externally, and are epoxy (not oil) filled so you never have to worry about a leak again. Not the cheapest pumps, but cheap insurance and money well spent in my opinion. I've had two pumps (separate systems) running…</p>
<p>I've had very good luck with the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=danner+pump&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Adanner+pump" target="_blank">Danner Mag-Drive</a> pumps, they are fairly quiet, can be used submerged or externally, and are epoxy (not oil) filled so you never have to worry about a leak again. Not the cheapest pumps, but cheap insurance and money well spent in my opinion. I've had two pumps (separate systems) running nearly nonstop for 2 years without fault.</p>
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