GMO's may have led to increased pesticide/herbicide usage - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T11:23:10Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/gmo-s-may-have-led-to-increased-pesticide-herbicide-usage?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A457137&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYeah, that was the sales pitc…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-26:4778851:Comment:5805132014-09-26T13:39:18.758ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>Yeah, that was the sales pitch I remember too..."improved manufacturing process...safer...less dioxins" etc...</p>
<p>Yet, when agencies/countries actually test for it, those pesky, problematic dioxin levels keep showing up...</p>
<p>Of course (as with acceptable glyphosate blood levels) we could just keep raising the numbers of what is "acceptable" or "safe". That seems to be a most common strategy these days for dealing with these types of substances. If you recall, the original spiel was…</p>
<p>Yeah, that was the sales pitch I remember too..."improved manufacturing process...safer...less dioxins" etc...</p>
<p>Yet, when agencies/countries actually test for it, those pesky, problematic dioxin levels keep showing up...</p>
<p>Of course (as with acceptable glyphosate blood levels) we could just keep raising the numbers of what is "acceptable" or "safe". That seems to be a most common strategy these days for dealing with these types of substances. If you recall, the original spiel was that it was <em>impossible</em> for glyphosate (roundup) to make it's way into the human blood stream. Then when elevated levels were found in peoples blood, the line was "well that's only farmers who work with the stuff...not consumers"...<em>then</em> when elevated levels well beyond what was legislated as "safe" were found in the blood of urban dwelling (Berlin) children who had never even <em>visited</em> a farm, let alone worked with herbicides...the answer was to just raise the level of glyphosate in the human blood stream that was deemed safe. So we no longer have to worry about it's links to a host of human health problems...perhaps we could do the same with 2,4 D and dioxin? After all, it <em>may very well be</em> possible to cure world hunger with cancer?</p> I always heard the problem wi…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-26:4778851:Comment:5802632014-09-26T02:32:00.108ZScott Robertshttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/ScottRoberts
<p>I always heard the problem with agent orange was the impurities, especially dioxin. Not that I'm advocating it's use, but I hear that today's properly manufactured 2,4 D is a lot safer than agent orange was. </p>
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<p>Unless you buy it from china, where evidently dioxin isn't such a big worry.</p>
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<p>I always heard the problem with agent orange was the impurities, especially dioxin. Not that I'm advocating it's use, but I hear that today's properly manufactured 2,4 D is a lot safer than agent orange was. </p>
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<p>Unless you buy it from china, where evidently dioxin isn't such a big worry.</p>
<p></p> Yes, Creme de la non-Hodgkins…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-25:4778851:Comment:5798842014-09-25T20:53:04.108ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>Yes, Creme de la non-Hodgkins lymphoma will be 'all the rage' at restaurants and grocery stores across the country :)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.beyondpesticides.org/infoservices/pesticidefactsheets/toxic/2,4-D.php" target="_blank">http://www.beyondpesticides.org/infoservices/pesticidefactsheets/toxic/2,4-D.php</a> </p>
<p>Yes, Creme de la non-Hodgkins lymphoma will be 'all the rage' at restaurants and grocery stores across the country :)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.beyondpesticides.org/infoservices/pesticidefactsheets/toxic/2,4-D.php" target="_blank">http://www.beyondpesticides.org/infoservices/pesticidefactsheets/toxic/2,4-D.php</a> </p> Anybody know any good Agent O…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-25:4778851:Comment:5801382014-09-25T20:20:13.091ZAlex Veidelhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/AlexVeidel
<p>Anybody know any good Agent Orange recipes?</p>
<p>Anybody know any good Agent Orange recipes?</p> Hurrah.
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<p>Hurrah.</p>
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<p>:P</p> Yay! A new breed of 2,4 D (Ag…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-25:4778851:Comment:5801372014-09-25T19:57:45.073ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>Yay! A new breed of 2,4 D (Agent Orange) resistant GM crops have finally been approved by the USDA!!!</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/25907" target="_blank">http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/25907…</a></p>
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<p>Yay! A new breed of 2,4 D (Agent Orange) resistant GM crops have finally been approved by the USDA!!!</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/25907" target="_blank">http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/25907</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/pressreleases/approval-of-24-d-tolerant-crops-speeds-up-agrichemical-treadmill/" target="_blank">http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/pressreleases/approval-of-24-d-tolerant-crops-speeds-up-agrichemical-treadmill/</a></p>
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<p>"<em>The draft Environmental Impact Statement released by the USDA received nearly 400,000 comments from farmers, farmworkers, health professionals and members of the public in March, and the EPA’s analysis of Dow’ “Enlist” 2,4-D formulation in July triggered additional petition signatures from over 500,000 people urging the agencies not to approve these new GMO crops</em>". - So much for that whole "write to you Congressman strategy"...</p> This was a pretty interesting…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-06-15:4778851:Comment:4858432013-06-15T19:22:40.152ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>This was a pretty interesting summary...</p>
<p><a href="http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/genewatch/genewatchpage.aspx?pageid=46">http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/genewatch/genewatchpage.aspx?pageid=46</a></p>
<p>This was a pretty interesting summary...</p>
<p><a href="http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/genewatch/genewatchpage.aspx?pageid=46">http://www.councilforresponsiblegenetics.org/genewatch/genewatchpage.aspx?pageid=46</a></p> Pat, BINGO! Pat James sai…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-05-22:4778851:Comment:4780952013-05-22T21:49:30.620ZBob Terrellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BobTerrell
<p>Pat, BINGO!<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Pat James said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/gmo-s-may-have-led-to-increased-pesticide-herbicide-usage?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A478087&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment478087"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>The way I see it is is a non-partison problem but endemic to the whole government. The politicians like their rhetoric and choose which way they go by whatever keeps them in office,…</p>
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<p>Pat, BINGO!<br/> <br/> <cite>Pat James said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/gmo-s-may-have-led-to-increased-pesticide-herbicide-usage?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A478087&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment478087"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>The way I see it is is a non-partison problem but endemic to the whole government. The politicians like their rhetoric and choose which way they go by whatever keeps them in office, NOT by what may be best for the populace at large. How many times do you hear about a regulation hurting business and therefore impacting jobs? Or letting another group get by with polluting because it will create jobs? Then all scream about costs but do nothing to curtail costs their regulations incur.</p>
<p>I'll give you a simple example and only one part of that problem... Health care. The other day I heard about some orthopedic/spine SALES PEOPLE making $600K per year, far more than the surgeon himself. Plus you know the company is making a profit even after the MASSIVE costs of getting a product approved for use. What most people do not realize is that if a company takes a good product and makes even a minor change, it has to go through the whole bureaucracy getting the change approved. This amounts to major dollars. who picks up the tab? this is but one example of the paperwork shuffle that increases costs.</p>
<p>BUT you hear a politician talking about insurance.and if a person has insurance they are taken care of....or how the cost of providing that insurance will bankrupt the country, depending which side of the aisle he is on. NEITHER side is going to address the real issues.</p>
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</blockquote> The way I see it is is a non-…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-05-22:4778851:Comment:4780872013-05-22T20:43:40.541ZPat Jameshttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/PatJames
<p>The way I see it is is a non-partison problem but endemic to the whole government. The politicians like their rhetoric and choose which way they go by whatever keeps them in office, NOT by what may be best for the populace at large. How many times do you hear about a regulation hurting business and therefore impacting jobs? Or letting another group get by with polluting because it will create jobs? Then all scream about costs but do nothing to curtail costs their regulations…</p>
<p>The way I see it is is a non-partison problem but endemic to the whole government. The politicians like their rhetoric and choose which way they go by whatever keeps them in office, NOT by what may be best for the populace at large. How many times do you hear about a regulation hurting business and therefore impacting jobs? Or letting another group get by with polluting because it will create jobs? Then all scream about costs but do nothing to curtail costs their regulations incur.</p>
<p>I'll give you a simple example and only one part of that problem... Health care. The other day I heard about some orthopedic/spine SALES PEOPLE making $600K per year, far more than the surgeon himself. Plus you know the company is making a profit even after the MASSIVE costs of getting a product approved for use. What most people do not realize is that if a company takes a good product and makes even a minor change, it has to go through the whole bureaucracy getting the change approved. This amounts to major dollars. who picks up the tab? this is but one example of the paperwork shuffle that increases costs.</p>
<p>BUT you hear a politician talking about insurance.and if a person has insurance they are taken care of....or how the cost of providing that insurance will bankrupt the country, depending which side of the aisle he is on. NEITHER side is going to address the real issues.</p> Those are "conservative" in n…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-05-22:4778851:Comment:4778972013-05-22T14:55:06.100ZJim Fiskhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimFisk
<p>Those are "conservative" in name only. They are politicians first. Say what you like but right now it is the liberals in charge that are destroying what used to be a good idea. How do you know when a politician is lying? Surely I don't need to answer that. Bashing Bush won't help the present direction we are taking here. He (Bush) is a big OWO advocate as can be seen in many a speech. Monsanto is just a part of that. You won't hear me apologizing for the Bushes. Sad to say those were the…</p>
<p>Those are "conservative" in name only. They are politicians first. Say what you like but right now it is the liberals in charge that are destroying what used to be a good idea. How do you know when a politician is lying? Surely I don't need to answer that. Bashing Bush won't help the present direction we are taking here. He (Bush) is a big OWO advocate as can be seen in many a speech. Monsanto is just a part of that. You won't hear me apologizing for the Bushes. Sad to say those were the good old days compared to the present danger. The big banks are the villains.</p>