Friendly Aquaponics - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T23:43:07Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/friendly-aquaponics-1?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A578907&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks Scott and Jere, you ar…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-22:4778851:Comment:5790342014-09-22T22:20:55.888ZJim Fiskhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimFisk
<p>Thanks Scott and Jere, you are both probably right but I bet these have been built in "that part of the world" :-) for at least 75 yrs or more as opposed to 2011. It is more the laminated beams and type of covering (ETFE) that are a newer concept and might be attributable to the Germans.</p>
<p>On a design note I feel as I study it that the solar angle really isn't that good in Northern latitudes. That angle of reflection should after all be at right angles to the Winter solstice in at least…</p>
<p>Thanks Scott and Jere, you are both probably right but I bet these have been built in "that part of the world" :-) for at least 75 yrs or more as opposed to 2011. It is more the laminated beams and type of covering (ETFE) that are a newer concept and might be attributable to the Germans.</p>
<p>On a design note I feel as I study it that the solar angle really isn't that good in Northern latitudes. That angle of reflection should after all be at right angles to the Winter solstice in at least part and it most certainly is not which means reflective losses. Nonetheless I still think they are absolutely stunning from an artistic point of view. The work of Cord and Penn is a better far North approach and lends itself to DIY far easier. My GH is along their lines which date back to the 60's right out of Mother Earth News back in the Shuttleworth's day. In AP we have the advantage of not needing that wall of 55 gal drums since in our case we have a 2500G heatsink in our system water. Still have a case of those old mags but now I have all those issues on one DVD. We've come a long way baby.<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></a></p> I've seen greenhouses like th…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-22:4778851:Comment:5789802014-09-22T21:17:51.247ZJeremiah Robinsonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JeremiahRobinson
<p>I've seen greenhouses like this in China, though made from different materials that are more labor-intensive but cheaper. Could be that this combination of materials is Japanese or from Schreier.</p>
<p>I've seen greenhouses like this in China, though made from different materials that are more labor-intensive but cheaper. Could be that this combination of materials is Japanese or from Schreier.</p> Jim, that greenhouse design…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-22:4778851:Comment:5787912014-09-22T19:57:51.647ZScott Robertshttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/ScottRoberts
<p>Jim, that greenhouse design is chinese, not japanese. And I believe that it's not friendly or schreier's design. The chinese have been building these since well before 2011.</p>
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<p>Jim, that greenhouse design is chinese, not japanese. And I believe that it's not friendly or schreier's design. The chinese have been building these since well before 2011.</p>
<p></p> Hey Sylvia, no argument here.…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-22:4778851:Comment:5789742014-09-22T17:18:37.301ZJim Fiskhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimFisk
<p>Hey Sylvia, no argument here. I too was a victim of the OZ's rage and I was grateful to find that you had banned him regardless of how knowledgeable he is. I actually decided to stay off here because of him but a member wrote me weeks later and said the water was safe again:-) So I will take your well expressed reasons in good faith as I was not around here in those days and no, let's not go there. You have kept this forum peaceful as it should be and one of my favorite hangouts.</p>
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<p>Hey Sylvia, no argument here. I too was a victim of the OZ's rage and I was grateful to find that you had banned him regardless of how knowledgeable he is. I actually decided to stay off here because of him but a member wrote me weeks later and said the water was safe again:-) So I will take your well expressed reasons in good faith as I was not around here in those days and no, let's not go there. You have kept this forum peaceful as it should be and one of my favorite hangouts.</p>
<p>That is cool to know where that design came from. Of course Schreier got the concept from the Japanese as well. Wish I could afford one but I am limited to diy. You are right to mention him as I don't remember his name coming up either in the descriptions. I was guilty of assumptions I have to admit. Keep up the excellent work<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></a></p> Hi Jim. Anyone who knows me…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-22:4778851:Comment:5789732014-09-22T16:55:44.397ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
<p>Hi Jim. Anyone who knows me well will tell you how much I hate drama, so I am not willing to dredge up the ugliness around why I removed Susanne from this forum again. Suffice to say, however, that I have banned less than a handful of people from this site in the nearly 5 years of it's existence (obvious spammers not included in that count) so you have to push the limits of bad behavior pretty hard to be banned from here.</p>
<p>Also, that greenhouse design was by a German scientist named…</p>
<p>Hi Jim. Anyone who knows me well will tell you how much I hate drama, so I am not willing to dredge up the ugliness around why I removed Susanne from this forum again. Suffice to say, however, that I have banned less than a handful of people from this site in the nearly 5 years of it's existence (obvious spammers not included in that count) so you have to push the limits of bad behavior pretty hard to be banned from here.</p>
<p>Also, that greenhouse design was by a German scientist named Franz Schreier who presented it at the first Aquaponics Association conference that Gina Cavaliero and I organized in Sept. of 2011. <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3_qDm3pAQwjZ2ZteVVxd2lGdXc/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">Click here</a> to see his presentation from the conference that he graciously agreed to share publicly. Franz worked with the Friendly's on their installation and the greenhouse course they teach. I haven't heard him mentioned since, so I don't know what happened. there.</p> Just sign up for their newsle…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-22:4778851:Comment:5787832014-09-22T14:33:50.822ZJim Fiskhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimFisk
<p>Just sign up for their newsletters at Friendly and read the past ones and you will feel like family before you know it. Their MJ problem goes back to when they were very broke and thought they were in the clear to grow it for a local church but they were scammed and it has taken years to get the absolute minimum based upon our arcane MJ laws that are based upon NOTHING MORE than corporate greed during prohibition. Most of us that have a clue know that MJ is God's gift to man and big pharma's…</p>
<p>Just sign up for their newsletters at Friendly and read the past ones and you will feel like family before you know it. Their MJ problem goes back to when they were very broke and thought they were in the clear to grow it for a local church but they were scammed and it has taken years to get the absolute minimum based upon our arcane MJ laws that are based upon NOTHING MORE than corporate greed during prohibition. Most of us that have a clue know that MJ is God's gift to man and big pharma's bain. Even Suzanne's news letters from jail are endearing, entertaining and educational. Their GH design is nothing less than stunning and is based upon Japanese designs: (this one is in central TN)<a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772255893?profile=original"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772255893?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"/></a>They used to be very active on this forum but I'll let Sylvia comment on that because I have only heard their side of why they were banned on here. As far as their business is concerned IMHO they went way too deep in debt starting out in AP (like 200K?) and yet they have survived and considering what they have gone thru they are doing fine.</p> While I normally avoid commen…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-20:4778851:Comment:5789072014-09-20T16:30:10.274ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
<p>While I normally avoid commenting on other aquaponics businesses, I'd like to add a few more facts to David's list. First, they were arrested not only for growing cannabis, but also for having a sizable stash of illegal firearms in their home Second, I wouldn't give them too much credit for being transparent about their situation. They had two choices - try to hide it, which would have been impossible (they are smarter than that), or actively get out in front of it, as they have done. I…</p>
<p>While I normally avoid commenting on other aquaponics businesses, I'd like to add a few more facts to David's list. First, they were arrested not only for growing cannabis, but also for having a sizable stash of illegal firearms in their home Second, I wouldn't give them too much credit for being transparent about their situation. They had two choices - try to hide it, which would have been impossible (they are smarter than that), or actively get out in front of it, as they have done. I think it was the right decision for their business.</p>
<p>As for the <a href="http://www.theaquaponicstore.com/Aquaponics-Medical-Marijuana-Growing-Course-p/iwsas017-cc.htm" target="_blank">Aquaponic Source MMJ classes</a>, Scott is right. We consulted with an attorney who specializes in the cannabis industry in Colorado and discovered that teaching, and learning, how to grow cannabis is perfectly legal throughout the U.S. We do not grow, sell or distribute MJ at our location. But since this is still so controversial we also took a vote as a ten person company and unanimously agreed that we wanted to teach this class, mainly because we all believe in the medical benefits of marijuana. We have found that about 80 percent of those who take our class are taking it for that reason. In fact, I just signed up a guy two days ago who just found out that his wife has breast cancer and he said "I need to know how to do this because I want control over her supply". We have found that it grows extremely well in AP (we have access to some off-site, legal testing facilities), especially in a <a href="http://theaquaponicsource.com/2014/07/30/aquaponics-grow-lab-update-dual-root-zone/" target="_blank">Dual Root Zone</a> setup, and we are happy to share these additional benefits of aquaponics through our <a href="http://www.theaquaponicstore.com/Aquaponics-Medical-Marijuana-Growing-Course-p/iwsas017-cc.htm" target="_blank">classes</a> with those who are interested.</p> I was referring to those part…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-20:4778851:Comment:5789062014-09-20T15:46:51.891ZJonathan Kadish NYC AA Chairhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonathanKadish
<p>I was referring to those participating in training frequently. Vlad and Rob know their stuff for sure and Dr. Savidov has done further research on Rakocy's designs, but I am not aware of him teaching in the states. And by 'know what they are talking about' I mean they have actual research and commercial production experience behind what they are teaching. Although their training is basic, Nelson and Pade are in the business of selling systems and helping people launch farms, so by all means…</p>
<p>I was referring to those participating in training frequently. Vlad and Rob know their stuff for sure and Dr. Savidov has done further research on Rakocy's designs, but I am not aware of him teaching in the states. And by 'know what they are talking about' I mean they have actual research and commercial production experience behind what they are teaching. Although their training is basic, Nelson and Pade are in the business of selling systems and helping people launch farms, so by all means if you want your hand held all the way they can help.</p>
<p>There are few profitable commercial AP farms out there, farming is a tough business. There is no way to teach your exact market and climate and like any business you have to go all in and keep the petal to the metal to be successful. I want to have a farm but there are so many challenges with climate and regulations in NYC that it would be very hard to make it all work.</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Jeremiah Robinson said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/friendly-aquaponics-1?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A578820&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment578726"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>You're right - they all took Dr. Racoky's class and developed from there. </p>
<p>Curious why you would exclude folks like Dr. Savidov, or people who post here like Vlad and Rob?</p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">Also, can you be more specific in what you mean by "know what they're talking about?" Are they the foremost experts on, for example, produce marketing? Aquaponic economics? Aquaponic energy efficiency?</span></p>
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</blockquote> I have not known of Dr James…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-20:4778851:Comment:5788202014-09-20T13:56:51.592ZJim Enterlinehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimEnterline
<p>I have not known of Dr James Rakocy and his followers. When I started I found much information on this site and also from Friendly Aquaponics, at least they admit their mistakes. And for me that says a lot. There is a wealth of information if you set and read all of their newsletters. I for one, appreciate their information and all that I find here.</p>
<p>I have not known of Dr James Rakocy and his followers. When I started I found much information on this site and also from Friendly Aquaponics, at least they admit their mistakes. And for me that says a lot. There is a wealth of information if you set and read all of their newsletters. I for one, appreciate their information and all that I find here.</p> I've been to workshops with M…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-09-20:4778851:Comment:5786482014-09-20T12:06:09.010ZScott Robertshttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/ScottRoberts
<p>I've been to workshops with Mr. Story, and while he's very good at promoting his product, I didn't learn a darn thing. </p>
<p>I've been to workshops with Mr. Story, and while he's very good at promoting his product, I didn't learn a darn thing. </p>