Food quality related to nutrient dificiency signs? - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T12:51:16Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/food-quality-related-to?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A37317&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI have seen the good result o…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-12-25:4778851:Comment:2692292011-12-25T18:52:55.024ZDiane Reillyhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DianeReilly
<p>I have seen the good result of eating a lot of green vegetables and fruits, also drinking a lot of water on a daily basis help our body keep fit and healthy.</p>
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<p>I have seen the good result of eating a lot of green vegetables and fruits, also drinking a lot of water on a daily basis help our body keep fit and healthy.</p>
<p><br/> <br/><a href="http://www.md247.com" target="_blank">Talk to a doctor</a><br/></p> Oh, it is easy to strive for…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-02-01:4778851:Comment:373912011-02-01T14:52:30.000ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Oh, it is easy to strive for an ideal, but we humans can rarely achieve them. While at home, I can eat good food but when you notice I'm not online much for a time, I rarely manage to eat well while working my other jobs. (Tends to be even worse since it is often at or traveling to those jobs when I have time to read actual books<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Tongue.gif"></img></a> ) </p>
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<p>Anyway, yes a very good book.</p>
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<p>Oh, it is easy to strive for an ideal, but we humans can rarely achieve them. While at home, I can eat good food but when you notice I'm not online much for a time, I rarely manage to eat well while working my other jobs. (Tends to be even worse since it is often at or traveling to those jobs when I have time to read actual books<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Tongue.gif"/></a>) </p>
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<p>Anyway, yes a very good book.</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/food-quality-related-to?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A37388&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment37388"><div>Isn't that a great book? I'm a huge Michael Pollen fan. He came to Boulder a couple years ago and we got to hear him speak - I highly recommend it if you get the chance. I had a bunch of 1/2 sheets printed with his motto for healthy eating "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants" and asked him to sign them. Then we framed them and gave them away as Christmas gifts. Sometimes the most profound wisdom comes in the simplest thoughts! Given what we've learned of you, TC, I can't imagine you are too far away from an ideal, whole diet...</div>
</blockquote> Isn't that a great book? I'm…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-02-01:4778851:Comment:373882011-02-01T14:13:58.000ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
Isn't that a great book? I'm a huge Michael Pollen fan. He came to Boulder a couple years ago and we got to hear him speak - I highly recommend it if you get the chance. I had a bunch of 1/2 sheets printed with his motto for healthy eating "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants" and asked him to sign them. Then we framed them and gave them away as Christmas gifts. Sometimes the most profound wisdom comes in the simplest thoughts! Given what we've learned of you, TC, I can't imagine you are…
Isn't that a great book? I'm a huge Michael Pollen fan. He came to Boulder a couple years ago and we got to hear him speak - I highly recommend it if you get the chance. I had a bunch of 1/2 sheets printed with his motto for healthy eating "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants" and asked him to sign them. Then we framed them and gave them away as Christmas gifts. Sometimes the most profound wisdom comes in the simplest thoughts! Given what we've learned of you, TC, I can't imagine you are too far away from an ideal, whole diet... Yea, I'm reading "In Defense…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-02-01:4778851:Comment:373482011-02-01T01:58:26.000ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Yea, I'm reading "In Defense of Food" and yea, all our western re-invention of food in an effort to be healthier seems to be backfiring on us. Trying to get back to more whole foods and and less refined (stripped) and re-fortified foods may well be a key to health and the same may hold true for the foods we eat as in your example of grass fed beef as opposed to feed lot grain/corn/soy fed beef.</p>
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<p>Yea, I'm reading "In Defense of Food" and yea, all our western re-invention of food in an effort to be healthier seems to be backfiring on us. Trying to get back to more whole foods and and less refined (stripped) and re-fortified foods may well be a key to health and the same may hold true for the foods we eat as in your example of grass fed beef as opposed to feed lot grain/corn/soy fed beef.</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/food-quality-related-to?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A37346&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment37346"><div>Hi TC. Missed you. A travelling stint? Your reply was well said. Sounds mighty parallel to what is happening in the beef industry, etc. Beef used to be a reasonable source of Omega 3 when it was grass feed. I guess the "grass" equivalent to catfish is the diet you listed above. The lesson that we need to keep learning from nature rather than reinventing her keeps getting driven home...</div>
</blockquote> Hi TC. Missed you. A travel…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-02-01:4778851:Comment:373462011-02-01T01:50:38.000ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
Hi TC. Missed you. A travelling stint? Your reply was well said. Sounds mighty parallel to what is happening in the beef industry, etc. Beef used to be a reasonable source of Omega 3 when it was grass feed. I guess the "grass" equivalent to catfish is the diet you listed above. The lesson that we need to keep learning from nature rather than reinventing her keeps getting driven home...
Hi TC. Missed you. A travelling stint? Your reply was well said. Sounds mighty parallel to what is happening in the beef industry, etc. Beef used to be a reasonable source of Omega 3 when it was grass feed. I guess the "grass" equivalent to catfish is the diet you listed above. The lesson that we need to keep learning from nature rather than reinventing her keeps getting driven home... I did a bit of looking into t…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-01-31:4778851:Comment:373172011-01-31T22:43:07.000ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>I did a bit of looking into the Omega ratios of some of the freshwater fish. I learned that there is a huge difference in the omega ratios between farm raised catfish and wild caught catfish. The wild caught catfish was far healthier to eat according to the omega 3 ratios. I think this has mostly to do with the other parts of the commercial fish feed than the fish meal.</p>
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<p>Well one step in improving the Omega ratio in fish like catfish and tilapia will probably be in pushing…</p>
<p>I did a bit of looking into the Omega ratios of some of the freshwater fish. I learned that there is a huge difference in the omega ratios between farm raised catfish and wild caught catfish. The wild caught catfish was far healthier to eat according to the omega 3 ratios. I think this has mostly to do with the other parts of the commercial fish feed than the fish meal.</p>
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<p>Well one step in improving the Omega ratio in fish like catfish and tilapia will probably be in pushing for a different basis for the feeds. Current US fish feeds are mostly corn, and soy in addition to the fish meal and vitamin admixtures. Well corn and soy tend to have about the worst omega ratios so it stands to reason that the farm raised fish who eat it will also have poor omega ratios while the wild caught counter parts do have better ratios from their wild diet.</p>
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<p>And the wild caught catfish are not eating ocean fishmeal to get the better omega ratio (granted it isn't like they are one of the prized omega 3 type fish.) Wild catfish have a pretty varied diet as do many types of fish and that diet will vary with age. Plankton, zoo plankton, algae, insect larva, insects, invertebrates, crustations, amphibians, and small fish are all on the menue for many types of fish at different stages in life. Now how to provide that in proportions that will make for healthy fish to eat while not costing more than the house will be a challenge.</p>
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I am hopeful that some of the research into algae cultures will help fill the needs. There are many plant sources that have some good levels of the precursors to the Omega 3s that may be useful as well if not as a feed for us or our food fish, perhaps as a feed for the food for our food fish. This may well be the way forw…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-01-31:4778851:Comment:372982011-01-31T21:32:33.000ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
<p>This may well be the way forward in manufacture of uncontaminated vegetable protein and includes Omega 3's. As we need Omega 3's in our diet and it's not present in most freshwater fish, the fish food manufactured from this algae will be a healthy addition to AP and be a large factor toward it's sustainability for the future.</p>
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<a href="http://www.aurorainc.com/solutions/omega-3/" target="_blank">http://www.aurorainc.com/solutions/omega-3/</a>
<p>This may well be the way forward in manufacture of uncontaminated vegetable protein and includes Omega 3's. As we need Omega 3's in our diet and it's not present in most freshwater fish, the fish food manufactured from this algae will be a healthy addition to AP and be a large factor toward it's sustainability for the future.</p>
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<a href="http://www.aurorainc.com/solutions/omega-3/" target="_blank">http://www.aurorainc.com/solutions/omega-3/</a> The short chain vegetable Ome…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-01-31:4778851:Comment:371272011-01-31T00:38:34.000ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
<p>The short chain vegetable Omega acids aren't a substitute for the ocean produced. I saw this article on a company in Australia growing algae in ponds which is new and will fit the bill. Here's the link;</p>
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<p>The short chain vegetable Omega acids aren't a substitute for the ocean produced. I saw this article on a company in Australia growing algae in ponds which is new and will fit the bill. Here's the link;</p>
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<p> <a href="http://www.aurorainc.com/aurora-algae-introduces-the-industry%E2%80%99s-first-photosynthetic-algae-based-platform-for-pharmaceutical-food-fuel-and-aquaculture-products/">http://www.aurorainc.com/aurora-algae-introduces-the-industry%E2%80%99s-first-photosynthetic-algae-based-platform-for-pharmaceutical-food-fuel-and-aquaculture-products/</a></p> I learned something new today…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-01-30:4778851:Comment:371232011-01-30T21:39:36.000ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
I learned something new today. Thanks, guys.
I learned something new today. Thanks, guys. How dare I neglect the laws o…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-01-30:4778851:Comment:371042011-01-30T19:36:41.000ZKobus Joostehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/KobusJooste
How dare I neglect the laws of thermodynamics :)<br></br><br></br><cite>Eric Warwick said:</cite>
<blockquote><div>Almost Kobus, the 10% rule is an mean taken to describe how much energy (calories in this case) gets lost to physical activity such as swimming and repairing cells. So basically the higher you go in the food chain the less animals you can have in that trophic level. That is why you want to keep a food chain length to a minimum for maximum efficiency.<br></br><br></br><cite>Kobus Jooste…</cite></div>
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How dare I neglect the laws of thermodynamics :)<br/><br/><cite>Eric Warwick said:</cite>
<blockquote><div>Almost Kobus, the 10% rule is an mean taken to describe how much energy (calories in this case) gets lost to physical activity such as swimming and repairing cells. So basically the higher you go in the food chain the less animals you can have in that trophic level. That is why you want to keep a food chain length to a minimum for maximum efficiency.<br/><br/><cite>Kobus Jooste said:</cite><blockquote><div><p>I'll let Eric handle the 10% rule, as I may get it too convoluted - basically I think it relates to the number of trophic levels that feed on contaminated food items before you get to the fish you use as feeder stock. Each step increases the amount of toxins that magnify up the food chain.</p>
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<p>In terms of Jade perch, it is an excellent AP candidate - found in large areas of the tropical zones around Australia, it can take terrible water conditions. In the Queensland area it inhabits the billabongs that only gets seasonal water input. It is an omnivore but will do well on a predominantly plant diet, and has more Omega fatty acids in it than Salmon. You may have an invasive risk attached to the species in similar parts of the US.<br/><br/><cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><p>Eric, I'm curious about the 10% rule you are referring to. Can you talk more about that?</p>
<p>Kobus, I am also quite intrigued with Jade Perch! Can't find them here for some reason (does anyone know why?), but here is a great blog post that Frank Gapinski at EcoFilms wrote last summer on them - <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ecofilms.com.au/2010/08/02/jade-perch-the-perfect-aquaponics-fish/">http://www.ecofilms.com.au/2010/08/02/jade-perch-the-perfect-aquapo...</a></p>
<p>Harold, I wonder if the answer lies in using discarded fish - bi-catch and the waste from fish processing - as our future source of fish meal rather than harvesting fish specifically to create fish meal. Would need to know a lot more about the quantities available vs what is needed, but could it be as simple as hooking up the guys doing the fishing and processing with the guys seeking the fish meal? </p>
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