farm raised fish and wild fish verses AP - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T09:07:00Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/farm-raised-fish-and-wild-fish-verses-ap?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522666&feed=yes&xn_auth=nothx for the info Robert! I a…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-11:4778851:Comment:5229752013-10-11T03:08:27.968ZKim Romenhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/KimRomen
<p>thx for the info Robert! I appreciate it.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Robert J said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/farm-raised-fish-and-wild-fish-verses-ap?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522890&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment522890"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Kim,</p>
<p>I would suggest reaching out to Dee Goodno for ecological labs products specifically developed for hydroponics and aquaponics. I had a real hard time…</p>
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<p>thx for the info Robert! I appreciate it.<br/> <br/> <cite>Robert J said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/farm-raised-fish-and-wild-fish-verses-ap?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522890&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment522890"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Kim,</p>
<p>I would suggest reaching out to Dee Goodno for ecological labs products specifically developed for hydroponics and aquaponics. I had a real hard time stabalizing my system until I started treating it with the eco labs producs. I recommend Dee (<a rel="nofollow" class="c_nobdr t_prs" href="mailto:woa4@msn.com">woa4@msn.com</a>) only because while she was being flooded out in CO, she was more worried about getting my order placed than protecting her own systems.</p>
<p>Western Outdoor Aquatics Inc <br/>8105 West I-25 Frontage Road, Unit #2<br/>Frederick, Co. 80516 <br/>303 485 7216 local <br/>1 800 651 2559<br/><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.westernpond.com/" target="_blank">http://www.westernpond.com</a></p>
<p>In any case, use of the eco labs producs (all certified orgainic) has stablized my systems and Dee is a wealth of knowledge.</p>
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I would suggest reaching…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-10:4778851:Comment:5228902013-10-10T23:59:21.823ZRobert Jhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RobertAJohnson
<p>Kim,</p>
<p>I would suggest reaching out to Dee Goodno for ecological labs products specifically developed for hydroponics and aquaponics. I had a real hard time stabalizing my system until I started treating it with the eco labs producs. I recommend Dee (<a class="c_nobdr t_prs" href="mailto:woa4@msn.com">woa4@msn.com</a>) only because while she was being flooded out in CO, she was more worried about getting my order placed than protecting her own systems.</p>
<p>Western Outdoor Aquatics…</p>
<p>Kim,</p>
<p>I would suggest reaching out to Dee Goodno for ecological labs products specifically developed for hydroponics and aquaponics. I had a real hard time stabalizing my system until I started treating it with the eco labs producs. I recommend Dee (<a class="c_nobdr t_prs" href="mailto:woa4@msn.com">woa4@msn.com</a>) only because while she was being flooded out in CO, she was more worried about getting my order placed than protecting her own systems.</p>
<p>Western Outdoor Aquatics Inc <br/>8105 West I-25 Frontage Road, Unit #2<br/>Frederick, Co. 80516 <br/>303 485 7216 local <br/>1 800 651 2559<br/><a href="http://www.westernpond.com/" target="_blank">http://www.westernpond.com</a></p>
<p>In any case, use of the eco labs producs (all certified orgainic) has stablized my systems and Dee is a wealth of knowledge.</p>
<p> </p> thx, that's very helpful! do…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-10:4778851:Comment:5228852013-10-10T19:43:57.088ZKim Romenhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/KimRomen
<p>thx, that's very helpful! does this sound like a good plan?:</p>
<p>transport the fish to my 2 10 gallon fish tanks that i have had off-gassing in the garage all week, i will be able to add 1/2 with the good bacteria water they are in now (or all of it possibly and not add so much to the 260 gallon tank that will be their hom outdoors. get a fishtank pump and don't feed them for a mth or so while i am cycling the 260 gallon tank? or i had someone offer to house the fish for me while i…</p>
<p>thx, that's very helpful! does this sound like a good plan?:</p>
<p>transport the fish to my 2 10 gallon fish tanks that i have had off-gassing in the garage all week, i will be able to add 1/2 with the good bacteria water they are in now (or all of it possibly and not add so much to the 260 gallon tank that will be their hom outdoors. get a fishtank pump and don't feed them for a mth or so while i am cycling the 260 gallon tank? or i had someone offer to house the fish for me while i cycle the tank. which is ideal? i could go to petsmart today to get some goldfish if that would help for the little tanks. if i did that do i not feed the goldfish, too, then add the tilapia with the goldfish (if they make it til sunday)? thx! Kim</p> don't add ammonia to the syst…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-10:4778851:Comment:5227792013-10-10T17:43:39.905ZKeith Rowanhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/KeithRowan
<p>don't add ammonia to the system if it has fish in it..</p>
<p>ammonia is used to "fishless cycle" the system - that is, kickstarting the nitrification process..</p>
<p>since your system is used, if the media doesn't dry out during transport, you'll be pretty close to cycled when you fill the tank, but.. and here's a big but.. if you use chlorinated water to fill the system and start running the water immediately through the media, you'll kill off much of the bacteria.. and it could take…</p>
<p>don't add ammonia to the system if it has fish in it..</p>
<p>ammonia is used to "fishless cycle" the system - that is, kickstarting the nitrification process..</p>
<p>since your system is used, if the media doesn't dry out during transport, you'll be pretty close to cycled when you fill the tank, but.. and here's a big but.. if you use chlorinated water to fill the system and start running the water immediately through the media, you'll kill off much of the bacteria.. and it could take weeks to cycle back up..</p>
<p>get some tap water (if thats what you'll use to fill the system) out in the sun as soon as you can</p>
<p>if you can''t, get the system put together, splash a little water on the media, and let the water sit in the ft at least overnight before turning on the pump</p> awsome. Randall. do u know…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-10:4778851:Comment:5229312013-10-10T15:02:09.556ZKim Romenhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/KimRomen
<p>awsome. Randall. do u know how many goldfish per gallon? seems easier to use ammonia. do u know if there are benefits to getting goldfish (other than the kids will like to watch those? do u know if i can use both at the same time? i'll put ammonia (and possibly goldfish) on my list!<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Randall Wimbish said:…</cite></p>
<p>awsome. Randall. do u know how many goldfish per gallon? seems easier to use ammonia. do u know if there are benefits to getting goldfish (other than the kids will like to watch those? do u know if i can use both at the same time? i'll put ammonia (and possibly goldfish) on my list!<br/> <br/> <cite>Randall Wimbish said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/farm-raised-fish-and-wild-fish-verses-ap?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522760&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment522760"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I think most people here do a fishless cycle by adding ammonia to the water until the nitrification bacteria get established before adding fish. Others put cheap sacrificial feeder goldfish in the tank and let them produce the ammonia until the bacteria gets established. the fact that you are going to get cycled water and bring it with you will help. Cycleing from scratch can take up to a couple of months but I have heard claims of people that did it in a couple of weeks.</p>
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<p>George, u just answered my last question i put out there (and others). thx! they can live without eating for weeks? good to know! i was told this was an arizona AP forum so was confused when i saw others from other states-i'll go figure that out. i'd like to go to the store to get some items to start preparing the water i have offgassing now. any suggestions what i should buy and what kind of store? pet store? pond store? can i use a pool ph tester? thx, again!…<br></br> <br></br></p>
<p>George, u just answered my last question i put out there (and others). thx! they can live without eating for weeks? good to know! i was told this was an arizona AP forum so was confused when i saw others from other states-i'll go figure that out. i'd like to go to the store to get some items to start preparing the water i have offgassing now. any suggestions what i should buy and what kind of store? pet store? pond store? can i use a pool ph tester? thx, again!<br/> <br/> <cite>George said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/farm-raised-fish-and-wild-fish-verses-ap?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522666&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment522856"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>There is <span>an <span>arizon<span>a group on this site. Possibly someone ne<span>ar you c<span>an keep your fish <span>alive while you get your system up <span>and running. <span><span><br/></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p>Otherwise, put the fish in a tank/cooler with an aerator and don't feed them. Test the water periodically, daily, if necessary and do water changes when needed (ammonia/nitrite levels will dictate). You can keep them like this for weeks, if necessary, until your system is ready. </p>
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<p><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span>See the cycling forum topics <span>and do some re<span>ading there.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span>Good luck - til<span>api<span>a <span>are rugged so you m<span>ay do well. <span><span><span><br/></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
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</blockquote> well, i'm in trouble, then (w…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-10:4778851:Comment:5229302013-10-10T14:52:03.516ZKim Romenhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/KimRomen
<p>well, i'm in trouble, then (well, the fish r), cuz i decided against the free tote i had to carry water-didn't want to take the risk of what was previously in it so i'm left with a new recycling bin and a few totes/coolers. could it be better to leave the fish in a small (2 10 gallon) fishtanks with 75% of the bacteria water while i cycle the system or will they be less happy in those small tanks? thx! glad i found this site and hope my book comes in the mail ASAP!<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Randall…</cite></p>
<p>well, i'm in trouble, then (well, the fish r), cuz i decided against the free tote i had to carry water-didn't want to take the risk of what was previously in it so i'm left with a new recycling bin and a few totes/coolers. could it be better to leave the fish in a small (2 10 gallon) fishtanks with 75% of the bacteria water while i cycle the system or will they be less happy in those small tanks? thx! glad i found this site and hope my book comes in the mail ASAP!<br/> <br/> <cite>Randall Wimbish said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/farm-raised-fish-and-wild-fish-verses-ap?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522666&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment522760"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I think most people here do a fishless cycle by adding ammonia to the water until the nitrification bacteria get established before adding fish. Others put cheap sacrificial feeder goldfish in the tank and let them produce the ammonia until the bacteria gets established. the fact that you are going to get cycled water and bring it with you will help. Cycleing from scratch can take up to a couple of months but I have heard claims of people that did it in a couple of weeks.</p>
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<p><span>as to f<span>arm r<span>aised VS <span style="text-decoration: underline;">your</span> <span>aquaponics, you'll prob<span>ably have more confidence in the food you produce since you know what they've been fed, etc. it's fun - you'll enjoy it. arizona is a great place to do it too since water is scarce there. </span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span>as to f<span>arm r<span>aised VS <span style="text-decoration: underline;">your</span> <span>aquaponics, you'll prob<span>ably have more confidence in the food you produce since you know what they've been fed, etc. it's fun - you'll enjoy it. arizona is a great place to do it too since water is scarce there. </span></span></span></span></span></p> There is an arizona group on…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-10:4778851:Comment:5228562013-10-10T12:26:45.660ZGeorgehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Geoge
<p>There is <span>an <span>arizon<span>a group on this site. Possibly someone ne<span>ar you c<span>an keep your fish <span>alive while you get your system up <span>and running. <span><span><br></br></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p>Otherwise, put the fish in a tank/cooler with an aerator and don't feed them. Test the water periodically, daily, if necessary and do water changes when needed (ammonia/nitrite levels will dictate). You can keep them like this…</p>
<p>There is <span>an <span>arizon<span>a group on this site. Possibly someone ne<span>ar you c<span>an keep your fish <span>alive while you get your system up <span>and running. <span><span><br/></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p>Otherwise, put the fish in a tank/cooler with an aerator and don't feed them. Test the water periodically, daily, if necessary and do water changes when needed (ammonia/nitrite levels will dictate). You can keep them like this for weeks, if necessary, until your system is ready. </p>
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<p><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span>See the cycling forum topics <span>and do some re<span>ading there.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span><span>Good luck - til<span>api<span>a <span>are rugged so you m<span>ay do well. <span><span><span><br/></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p> we're those folks who buy a s…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-10:4778851:Comment:5226602013-10-10T06:24:51.990ZKim Romenhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/KimRomen
<p>we're those folks who buy a system before reading a book about it! got a good deal on a used system and the guy is moving so we grabbed it. book is on the way but there's no way i'll get it before this weekend. i'm also finding the info on line is mixed and not as much of it as i would've hoped. im really hoping i don't kill the fish as i've been told the 4 breeders i have can be worth $100-$150/pair and I'd have to wait another several mths to get fish to eat. nonetheless, i'll just…</p>
<p>we're those folks who buy a system before reading a book about it! got a good deal on a used system and the guy is moving so we grabbed it. book is on the way but there's no way i'll get it before this weekend. i'm also finding the info on line is mixed and not as much of it as i would've hoped. im really hoping i don't kill the fish as i've been told the 4 breeders i have can be worth $100-$150/pair and I'd have to wait another several mths to get fish to eat. nonetheless, i'll just do my best with it. </p>
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<p>for cycling the tank, do u mind telling me how long that typically takes? good to know, i wouldn't have done that likely. i would've prob been in a rush to get them out of the little fishtanks we have for their temporary stay before putting them in the big tank. </p>
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<p>i'm not clear on what u meant by the goldfish- is adding goldfish a way to test the water or did i misunderstand; why would people be putting little goldfish in their systems?</p>
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<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Randall Wimbish said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/farm-raised-fish-and-wild-fish-verses-ap?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522735&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment522747"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>And I would like to add, there are many reasons people find dead fish in their tanks. First of all you need to know about aquarium management first off. There is a little science to it.</p>
<p> Lots of people have not cycled the system before adding fish.</p>
<p> And the organic pest control things that you put on your veggies that will kill your fish. Neem extract is one. Organic does not always mean safe. Some of the most deadly things on earth are organic.</p>
<p> People buy cheap feeder gold fish to cycle a system the ask why the fish died. I cycled a couple of systems this way but the books told me to expect casualties.</p>
<p> People over feed the fish and crash the bio filter.</p>
<p> People jump into Aquaponics with out ever even reading a book about it .</p>
<p>And then there is the miscalculations on things we add to the system to enhance the production.</p>
<p>Fish are however the least expensive thing in Aquaponics.</p>
<p>I think TClynxs said "Aquaponics doesn't do windows" but the results are amazing.</p>
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