End work: industrial product design aquaponic - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T01:34:34Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/end-work-industrial-product-design-aquaponic?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A522126&xg_raw_resources=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noPhilips is also going to supp…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-26:4778851:Comment:5501832014-02-26T12:59:56.951ZJeroen Van Doorenhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JeroenVanDooren
<p>Philips is also going to support my prototype by giving me the greenpower LED research modules (red and blue). So students will be able to control the light intensity and learn about spectrum. The research module is also compatible with PLC. Hopefully also with the arduino.…</p>
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<p>Philips is also going to support my prototype by giving me the greenpower LED research modules (red and blue).
So students will be able to control the light intensity and learn about spectrum. The research module is also compatible with PLC. Hopefully also with the arduino.</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772254768?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="281" class="align-left" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772254768?profile=original"/></a></p> Hi,
I made my solution to sta…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-26:4778851:Comment:5504092014-02-26T12:53:55.822ZJeroen Van Doorenhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JeroenVanDooren
<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I made my solution to start my design. It's going to be a schoolsystem for 15-16 years old kids. The idea is to give classes around the topic aquaponics in combination with biology, fysics, chemistry or <span class="hps alt-edited">environmental health</span>. It should also run on a basic arduino technology to get an overview about temperature, light hours and waterflow. This all included in an digital app where practica, build up movies, <span class="hps">learning package and…</span></p>
<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I made my solution to start my design. It's going to be a schoolsystem for 15-16 years old kids. The idea is to give classes around the topic aquaponics in combination with biology, fysics, chemistry or <span class="hps alt-edited">environmental health</span>. It should also run on a basic arduino technology to get an overview about temperature, light hours and waterflow. This all included in an digital app where practica, build up movies, <span class="hps">learning package and aquaponics <span class="hps">interrogations</span> are <span class="hps alt-edited">bundled together.</span></span></p>
<p><span class="hps"><span class="hps alt-edited"><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772255511?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" class="align-left" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772255511?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772256091?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" class="align-left" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772256091?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772256555?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" class="align-left" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772256555?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772257212?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" class="align-left" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772257212?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772257497?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" class="align-left" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772257497?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772257866?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" class="align-left" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772257866?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024"/></a>hThe design should come as a <span class="hps alt-edited">building kit. So the shells have to fit in eachother to save space for transport. It's going to be a table-top model and the electronics and pump will be <span class="hps">centralized. <br/><br/>Now I got some questions. I want to use the CHOP system with a sumptank. I want to control the pump with the arduino timer and stop it when the classes are busy. So the class <span class="hps">so</span> <span class="hps">the class will</span> <span class="hps">not be disturbed when they give classes. Is it safe to stop the pump in any time? Is the sump tank going to flood? Because it sounds like <span class="hps">communicating vessels</span>, where the system keeps going when the power shut off.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
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<p><span class="hps"><span class="hps alt-edited"><span class="hps alt-edited"><span class="hps"><span class="hps">Thank you!</span></span></span></span></span></p> I'm having the idea in my hea…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-24:4778851:Comment:5253462013-10-24T11:25:51.316ZJeroen Van Doorenhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JeroenVanDooren
<p>I'm having the idea in my head to design a system that's floating on a pond or a lake. A low floating greenhouse with beds full of plants and with an integrated aquaponic system that pomps the water out of the lake to feed the plants. The heating or cooling from the greenhouse would work with a heat pump. So the energy to cool or to heat would comes out of the lake.</p>
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<p>I was thinking about the topics: the potential of this project, industrial or home use,…</p>
<p>I'm having the idea in my head to design a system that's floating on a pond or a lake. A low floating greenhouse with beds full of plants and with an integrated aquaponic system that pomps the water out of the lake to feed the plants. The heating or cooling from the greenhouse would work with a heat pump. So the energy to cool or to heat would comes out of the lake.</p>
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<p>I was thinking about the topics: the potential of this project, industrial or home use, <span class="hps">profitable</span> <span class="hps">in</span> <span class="hps">the</span> <span class="hps">Netherlands</span>, energy out of the water. <br/><br/>What do you think about the inspiration?</p> Thanks for your reply. It loo…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-15:4778851:Comment:5234852013-10-15T19:48:27.509ZJeroen Van Doorenhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JeroenVanDooren
<p>Thanks for your reply. It looks like it is much more interesting to use a square shaped greenhouse. I start to look for global or specific problems in the aquaponic world. Do you maybe know some common issues which can improve?</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply. It looks like it is much more interesting to use a square shaped greenhouse. I start to look for global or specific problems in the aquaponic world. Do you maybe know some common issues which can improve?</p> Domes are really pretty in mo…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-10:4778851:Comment:5226672013-10-10T13:09:37.714ZJim Fiskhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimFisk
<p>Domes are really pretty in most instances but I have been advised that they do waste a great deal of space and are more difficult to construct and cover than a conventional square cornered shape. It is of course easier to construct square cornered grow beds and fish tanks (especially if you choose to use IBCs) which do not fit as well in a dome leaving a great deal of under utilized space. In the fish room I have every third roof panel clear and the rest metal and that gives just the right…</p>
<p>Domes are really pretty in most instances but I have been advised that they do waste a great deal of space and are more difficult to construct and cover than a conventional square cornered shape. It is of course easier to construct square cornered grow beds and fish tanks (especially if you choose to use IBCs) which do not fit as well in a dome leaving a great deal of under utilized space. In the fish room I have every third roof panel clear and the rest metal and that gives just the right subdued light for the fish and helps to keep the fish room cooler. Leah is right about the algae and sunlight should be kept from hitting the water in general. That is why we keep the water level about 2" below the top of the media beds as well. In a dome it would be harder to isolate the fish room as well. I drew up many a plan using a dome and eventually decided against using one.</p>
<p>Yes all the waste flows into one 1 1/2" pipe and then flows to the grow room and gets distributed to each grow bed. From the beds, either raft or media, the clean water flows into a 2" common drain and back to the sump where it is pumped back to the fish tanks and so on. There is a constant flow 24/7 just like in nature.</p> I don't think light matters s…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-10:4778851:Comment:5226612013-10-10T10:12:46.820ZLeah Englishhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/LeahEnglish
<p>I don't think light matters so much for the fish.. mainly the temperature and oxygen/ammonia content of the water. I've seen some tanks that were pretty much completely covered and they worked fine... Also, clear sides for the tanks might be a bad idea because sunlight will cause algae growth.. from what I've read, dark colors are the best idea for fish tanks :)</p>
<p>I don't think light matters so much for the fish.. mainly the temperature and oxygen/ammonia content of the water. I've seen some tanks that were pretty much completely covered and they worked fine... Also, clear sides for the tanks might be a bad idea because sunlight will cause algae growth.. from what I've read, dark colors are the best idea for fish tanks :)</p> Do you think that it is a goo…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-09:4778851:Comment:5226002013-10-09T22:08:47.514ZJeroen Van Doorenhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JeroenVanDooren
<p>Do you think that it is a good plan to start from a dome. I found a nice movie about a really innovative dome greenhouse: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_WuJ9P1u-k">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_WuJ9P1u-k</a>. Is it a good plan to put the fish tanks under the benches? Do the fish don't need some daylight to survive? The tanks can have a plexy or glass window on the sides from the greenhouse. Your plan looks really nice! I see you've got different types of fish. Do you mix the…</p>
<p>Do you think that it is a good plan to start from a dome. I found a nice movie about a really innovative dome greenhouse: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_WuJ9P1u-k">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_WuJ9P1u-k</a>. Is it a good plan to put the fish tanks under the benches? Do the fish don't need some daylight to survive? The tanks can have a plexy or glass window on the sides from the greenhouse. Your plan looks really nice! I see you've got different types of fish. Do you mix the wastewater for better nutrition?</p> Hey Jeroen, that is a beautif…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-09:4778851:Comment:5225912013-10-09T21:07:54.447ZJim Fiskhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimFisk
<p>Hey Jeroen, that is a beautiful design. I would mod it for AP by placing a below grade @300 gal sump under the center area and put your fish tanks under the benches or fish in sump and forget under the bench.</p>
<p>Here is the plan we developed.<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2730445450?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2730445450?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a> and the elevation:…<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2730497130?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2730497130?profile=original" width="679"></img></a></p>
<p>Hey Jeroen, that is a beautiful design. I would mod it for AP by placing a below grade @300 gal sump under the center area and put your fish tanks under the benches or fish in sump and forget under the bench.</p>
<p>Here is the plan we developed.<a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2730445450?profile=original"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2730445450?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"/></a> and the elevation:<a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2730497130?profile=original"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2730497130?profile=original" width="679"/></a></p>
<p>And some results:<a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772253154?profile=original"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772253154?profile=original" width="466"/>W</a></p>
<p>We grow trout and our system temps run between 50F in Winter to about 73F highest in the Summer here in the mountains of NE TN. We have some plants such as Swiss Chard and Kale that have been steadily producing meals for over a year. I have been farming most of my life and AP is by far the most fun I have ever had doing such.</p> My main question is "How wil…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-08:4778851:Comment:5223652013-10-08T12:46:14.772ZMark Hallhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/MarkHall
<p>My main question is "How will the thermal mass perform?" I have listed a quantity of water and concrete on the sketch and hope that the sheer volume will moderate and stabilize the temperature. Also I plan to use "Outsulation" (foam and synthetic stucco) to isolate the thermal mass from the outside environment. Does anyone know how to calculate the value of thermal mass and the heat and cold retention ? "Hope" is not a good design element.</p>
<p>I really don't want to do put in SHCS…</p>
<p>My main question is "How will the thermal mass perform?" I have listed a quantity of water and concrete on the sketch and hope that the sheer volume will moderate and stabilize the temperature. Also I plan to use "Outsulation" (foam and synthetic stucco) to isolate the thermal mass from the outside environment. Does anyone know how to calculate the value of thermal mass and the heat and cold retention ? "Hope" is not a good design element.</p>
<p>I really don't want to do put in SHCS because of the cost, but I will if that seems to be the answer. <br/>My design goal is to keep the model low cost and such that it can be easily replicated.</p> @Mark: Thanks for sharing you…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-10-08:4778851:Comment:5222732013-10-08T12:30:44.942ZJeroen Van Doorenhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JeroenVanDooren
<p>@Mark: <br></br>Thanks for sharing your ideas. It sounds really interesting. I did a small thesis about the passive house build when I was 18. So I'm sharing this interest! I'm in the beginning of the project and I've got the feeling I can go so many ways up. I'll try to see the forest through the trees. (I don't know if you use this expression in English)</p>
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<p>@Leah</p>
<p>This sounds really interesting as well! I have to wright a business plan for January and I already have to…</p>
<p>@Mark: <br/>Thanks for sharing your ideas. It sounds really interesting. I did a small thesis about the passive house build when I was 18. So I'm sharing this interest! I'm in the beginning of the project and I've got the feeling I can go so many ways up. I'll try to see the forest through the trees. (I don't know if you use this expression in English)</p>
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<p>@Leah</p>
<p>This sounds really interesting as well! I have to wright a business plan for January and I already have to present my concept, techniques and so on. So the second part of the year I will be busy with the design itself. Of course my business plan and the costs will change in this period. I look forward to stay in contact with you. <br/><br/>Thanks for the replies!</p>