Ebb 'n' Flow Methods With Pressurized Delivery - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T09:58:31Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/ebb-n-flow-methods-with-pressurized-delivery?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A621907&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAmazon has it. I take it tha…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2016-01-19:4778851:Comment:6218362016-01-19T01:17:24.275ZGeorgehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Geoge
<p>Amazon has it. I take it that the Meiner does not contain copper.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Melner+4-Zone+Watering+System" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Melner+4-Zone+Watering+System</a></p>
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<p>Amazon has it. I take it that the Meiner does not contain copper.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Melner+4-Zone+Watering+System" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Melner+4-Zone+Watering+System</a></p>
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<p><cite>Glenn said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/ebb-n-flow-methods-with-pressurized-delivery#4778851Comment621832"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>You might check your garden supply/hardware store like Home Depot for "Melner 4-Zone Watering System" It should be known that a lot of low cost home watering system valves have copper (or worse) internal parts so should be avoided for the sake of fish and our favorite microbes. </p>
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</blockquote> You might check your garden s…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2016-01-18:4778851:Comment:6218322016-01-18T20:16:26.775ZGlennhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Glenn
<p>You might check your garden supply/hardware store like Home Depot for "Melner 4-Zone Watering System" It should be known that a lot of low cost home watering system valves have copper (or worse) internal parts so should be avoided for the sake of fish and our favorite microbes. And there are all kinds of valves, some with very restrictive ports that can plug easier than full port ball valves and some gate valves. Another good reason to use swirl filters and to get those non dissolved solids…</p>
<p>You might check your garden supply/hardware store like Home Depot for "Melner 4-Zone Watering System" It should be known that a lot of low cost home watering system valves have copper (or worse) internal parts so should be avoided for the sake of fish and our favorite microbes. And there are all kinds of valves, some with very restrictive ports that can plug easier than full port ball valves and some gate valves. Another good reason to use swirl filters and to get those non dissolved solids managed.</p>
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<p>There are other types of sequencing systems too. Like non electric even that uses air, gravity, and mechanical timers etc.</p>
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<p>If you are in an area that has some high volume industry, you can probably find a supplier like rain for rent that can help advise you on what's available to suit Aquaculture in general.</p>
<p></p> The only programmed valves I…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2016-01-18:4778851:Comment:6219072016-01-18T19:42:51.119ZSean Gunnhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SeanGunn
<p>The only programmed valves I find for PVC are $4-500. Is this all that is available?</p>
<p>The only programmed valves I find for PVC are $4-500. Is this all that is available?</p> Correct, although you have th…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2016-01-15:4778851:Comment:6213982016-01-15T02:16:33.331ZGeorgehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Geoge
<p>Correct, although you have the option of flooding multiple beds, if, for example, you wish to partially drain the tank to harvest fish.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Sean Gunn said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/ebb-n-flow-methods-with-pressurized-delivery#4778851Comment621480"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>As for the indexed valves, each bed would have a slow drain back to either the sump or aquaculture tank, and only one bed would be topped up by…</p>
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<p>Correct, although you have the option of flooding multiple beds, if, for example, you wish to partially drain the tank to harvest fish.<br/> <br/> <cite>Sean Gunn said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/ebb-n-flow-methods-with-pressurized-delivery#4778851Comment621480"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>As for the indexed valves, each bed would have a slow drain back to either the sump or aquaculture tank, and only one bed would be topped up by inflow at any given time, correct?<br/> <br/><br/></p>
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</blockquote> I see the valves for control…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2016-01-14:4778851:Comment:6214802016-01-14T23:43:57.631ZSean Gunnhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SeanGunn
<p><br></br> I see the valves for controlling flow to the beds as mentioned by George but can you point me to a resource for valves to control flow from the beds? I assume by this you mean the "programmed" valves.<br></br> <br></br> As for the indexed valves, each bed would have a slow drain back to either the sump or aquaculture tank, and only one bed would be topped up by inflow at any given time, correct?<br></br> <br></br> There are many more options than I ever expected, thanks!<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Glenn…</cite></p>
<p><br/> I see the valves for controlling flow to the beds as mentioned by George but can you point me to a resource for valves to control flow from the beds? I assume by this you mean the "programmed" valves.<br/> <br/> As for the indexed valves, each bed would have a slow drain back to either the sump or aquaculture tank, and only one bed would be topped up by inflow at any given time, correct?<br/> <br/> There are many more options than I ever expected, thanks!<br/> <br/> <cite>Glenn said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/ebb-n-flow-methods-with-pressurized-delivery?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A621295&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment621388"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>There is also to consider, indexing or programmed valves. Where flow is routed to and/or from separate beds or zones at timed intervals, with over flow piping to prevent overwhelming flood cycles.</p>
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</blockquote> I do have some experience gro…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2016-01-14:4778851:Comment:6214712016-01-14T21:07:29.442ZSean Gunnhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SeanGunn
<p><br></br>I do have some experience growing plants in soil and with ebb n flow. I would be learning a lot of new things but not everything. I'm pretty handy and like to put my time in researching, planning and implementing things. I think whatever grow beds I build will work if I plan well. I can build one media bed and test my design before building any more.<br></br><br></br>What I am most worried about is getting the aquaculture side of things right if I go aquaponic instead of hydro. I know from my…</p>
<p><br/>I do have some experience growing plants in soil and with ebb n flow. I would be learning a lot of new things but not everything. I'm pretty handy and like to put my time in researching, planning and implementing things. I think whatever grow beds I build will work if I plan well. I can build one media bed and test my design before building any more.<br/><br/>What I am most worried about is getting the aquaculture side of things right if I go aquaponic instead of hydro. I know from my hydro experience that young plants can be finicky in such systems. I suspect it is easy to under or over feed plants until you figure it all out. I hope to grow some fruiting plants eventually like tomatoes, eggplants, and strawberries. Then, there is also the health of the fish to consider.<br/><br/>I'll definitely be checking out the programmed valves. In fact, I was looking for valves on timers just yesterday. Maybe these Aquaponics Lynx valves are just the thing! Valves on timers seem like an obvious solution to ebb 'n' flow with constant inflow but I hadn't found anything yet.<br/><br/>Thanks!<br/><br/></p> I use an indexing valve to fl…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2016-01-14:4778851:Comment:6216192016-01-14T14:32:27.230ZGeorgehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Geoge
<p>I use an indexing valve to flood and drain six beds with no sump, no siphons. The valve is indexed by water pressure when the timer sends power to the pump. Each bed has a separate input pipe from the valve. I consider it less complicated than six siphons with a sump. Two things can cause the valve to fail, low pressure from pump and debris causing clogging (will also cause siphon system to fail). The valve I use, sold by Aquaponic Lynx, works with relatively low pressure. …<br></br> <br></br></p>
<p>I use an indexing valve to flood and drain six beds with no sump, no siphons. The valve is indexed by water pressure when the timer sends power to the pump. Each bed has a separate input pipe from the valve. I consider it less complicated than six siphons with a sump. Two things can cause the valve to fail, low pressure from pump and debris causing clogging (will also cause siphon system to fail). The valve I use, sold by Aquaponic Lynx, works with relatively low pressure. <br/> <br/> <cite>Glenn said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/ebb-n-flow-methods-with-pressurized-delivery#4778851Comment621388"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>There is also to consider, indexing or programmed valves. </p>
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</blockquote> There is also to consider, in…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2016-01-14:4778851:Comment:6213882016-01-14T11:30:12.967ZGlennhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Glenn
<p>There is also to consider, indexing or programmed valves. Where flow is routed to and/or from separate beds or zones at timed intervals, with over flow piping to prevent overwhelming flood cycles. This in my opinion is the most complicated with more moving parts, but perhaps a little more accurate where precise cycles/times of water delivery is desired. </p>
<p>There is also to consider, indexing or programmed valves. Where flow is routed to and/or from separate beds or zones at timed intervals, with over flow piping to prevent overwhelming flood cycles. This in my opinion is the most complicated with more moving parts, but perhaps a little more accurate where precise cycles/times of water delivery is desired. </p> Also try not to reinvent the…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2016-01-14:4778851:Comment:6216122016-01-14T07:52:25.637ZJonathan Kadish NYC AA Chairhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonathanKadish
Also try not to reinvent the wheel when you are first starting out, you have a lot to learn and making a system more complicated will only cause you to tear it up, break it down and start over. I know this from experience trying to do the same. If you love problem solving then by all means go rogue, if you want to grow plants use the tried and tested. You'll find most people here just want to share what works, we all build on each others work.
Also try not to reinvent the wheel when you are first starting out, you have a lot to learn and making a system more complicated will only cause you to tear it up, break it down and start over. I know this from experience trying to do the same. If you love problem solving then by all means go rogue, if you want to grow plants use the tried and tested. You'll find most people here just want to share what works, we all build on each others work. Yes that's why we flood and d…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2016-01-14:4778851:Comment:6213872016-01-14T07:45:38.378ZJonathan Kadish NYC AA Chairhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonathanKadish
Yes that's why we flood and drain constantly- for aeration. And yes the T Siphon will scale up although you would need to increase all the pipe sizes accordingly.
Yes that's why we flood and drain constantly- for aeration. And yes the T Siphon will scale up although you would need to increase all the pipe sizes accordingly.