e coli - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T10:13:43Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/e-coli?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A30798&feed=yes&xn_auth=noEven with proper hygiene you…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-11:4778851:Comment:3909712012-09-11T03:35:15.058ZCraig Mullinshttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/CraigMullins10
<p>Even with proper hygiene you have birds flying over your plants in outdoor systems and rodents as well.</p>
<p>E. Coli and other contaminants do get into systems. Here in California I can get a <strong>fecal coliforms</strong> and e. coli test for 25 bucks. Probably worth getting in done every so often especially if your selling anything to someone else.</p>
<p>Even with proper hygiene you have birds flying over your plants in outdoor systems and rodents as well.</p>
<p>E. Coli and other contaminants do get into systems. Here in California I can get a <strong>fecal coliforms</strong> and e. coli test for 25 bucks. Probably worth getting in done every so often especially if your selling anything to someone else.</p> Apparently I requested a diff…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-12-29:4778851:Comment:311142010-12-29T01:36:12.000ZDan Brownhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DanielEBrown
<p>Apparently I requested a different test. The price quote I got is for 20 salmonella tests for $160.</p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'; font-size: small; border-collapse: collapse;"><a href="http://www.geneq.com/catalog/en/sas_salmonella_test.html" style="color: #c3390b;" target="_blank"><font color="#0000FF">http://www.geneq.com/catalog/</font>en/sas_salmonella_test.html</a></span><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Dan Brown said:…</cite></p>
<p>Apparently I requested a different test. The price quote I got is for 20 salmonella tests for $160.</p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'; font-size: small; border-collapse: collapse;"><a style="color: #c3390b;" target="_blank" href="http://www.geneq.com/catalog/en/sas_salmonella_test.html"><font color="#0000FF">http://www.geneq.com/catalog/</font>en/sas_salmonella_test.html</a></span><br/> <br/>
<cite>Dan Brown said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/e-coli?x=1&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A20652&page=2#4778851Comment30798"><div>I found another test on the same discussion <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.exit15.com/instant-food-test-strip-kit-for-salmonella-and-ecoli-p-1360.html">http://www.exit15.com/instant-food-test-strip-kit-for-salmonella-an...</a> this tests for both salmonella and e coli, but it's not cheap ($10/test). That's a lot less expensive than a hospital stay, or worse...<br/> <br/>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/e-coli?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A20652&page=2#4778851Comment30747"><div><p>I found this test...<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.geneq.com/catalog/en/sas_salmonella_test.html#">http://www.geneq.com/catalog/en/sas_salmonella_test.html#</a> and have requested a quote from the company. This appears to meet the requirements needed (quick test, easy read), now we'll find out if it's cost prohibitive. After reading about the potential for contamination from turtles, I'd flatly advise not to eat the food until testing is done. In this case (re:salmonella), contaminated water can directly contaminate the food, and cross contamination due to poor hygiene after simply handling turtles has led to food borne illness outbreaks. This is high risk, and should be treated as such.</p>
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</blockquote> thanks, Dan!
Dan Brown said:…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-12-28:4778851:Comment:310882010-12-28T14:19:28.000ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
thanks, Dan!<br/>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/e-coli?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A31064&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment31064"><div>I'm on it, but with the new job and my wife's 40th this weekend, it will probably take me a bit to get something together that I'm satisfied with. </div>
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thanks, Dan!<br/>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/e-coli?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A31064&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment31064"><div>I'm on it, but with the new job and my wife's 40th this weekend, it will probably take me a bit to get something together that I'm satisfied with. </div>
</blockquote> Sounds good. By the way, Ear…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-12-28:4778851:Comment:310872010-12-28T14:18:55.000ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
Sounds good. By the way, Earl, it's great to have you spending some time with us again! You've been missed!<br></br>
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Sounds good. By the way, Earl, it's great to have you spending some time with us again! You've been missed!<br/>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/e-coli?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A31053&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment31053"><div><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">I think that’s a great idea unfortunately with my job I do not have the time to dedicate to take a lead role. I work 5-6 days a week 10-12 hrs a day for USDA FSIS . I will gladly contribute and hope Dan will take the lead</span><br/><br/><cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite><blockquote><div>Great discussion, everyone. On an administrative note I agree with Dan and TC about creating a Food Safety group for this topic and using the text box for a list of valuable links. Dan and Earl, you both seem like excellent candidates to take the lead on this. Any volunteers?</div>
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</blockquote> I'm on it, but with the new j…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-12-28:4778851:Comment:310642010-12-28T01:34:07.000ZDan Brownhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DanielEBrown
I'm on it, but with the new job and my wife's 40th this weekend, it will probably take me a bit to get something together that I'm satisfied with. <br></br>
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<cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/e-coli?page=4&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A31053&x=1#4778851Comment30961"><div>Great discussion, everyone. On an administrative note I agree with Dan and TC about creating a Food Safety group for this topic and using the text box…</div>
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I'm on it, but with the new job and my wife's 40th this weekend, it will probably take me a bit to get something together that I'm satisfied with. <br/>
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<cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/e-coli?page=4&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A31053&x=1#4778851Comment30961"><div>Great discussion, everyone. On an administrative note I agree with Dan and TC about creating a Food Safety group for this topic and using the text box for a list of valuable links. Dan and Earl, you both seem like excellent candidates to take the lead on this. Any volunteers?</div>
</blockquote> I think that’s a great idea u…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-12-27:4778851:Comment:310532010-12-27T23:07:11.000ZEarl wardhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Earlward
<span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">I think that’s a great idea unfortunately with my job I do not have the time to dedicate to take…</span>
<span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 115%; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-hansi-theme-font: minor-latin; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;">I think that’s a great idea unfortunately with my job I do not have the time to dedicate to take a lead role. I work 5-6 days a week 10-12 hrs a day for USDA FSIS . I will gladly contribute and hope Dan will take the lead</span><br/><br/><cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite>
<blockquote><div>Great discussion, everyone. On an administrative note I agree with Dan and TC about creating a Food Safety group for this topic and using the text box for a list of valuable links. Dan and Earl, you both seem like excellent candidates to take the lead on this. Any volunteers?</div>
</blockquote> Great discussion, everyone. …tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-12-27:4778851:Comment:309612010-12-27T13:13:52.000ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
Great discussion, everyone. On an administrative note I agree with Dan and TC about creating a Food Safety group for this topic and using the text box for a list of valuable links. Dan and Earl, you both seem like excellent candidates to take the lead on this. Any volunteers?
Great discussion, everyone. On an administrative note I agree with Dan and TC about creating a Food Safety group for this topic and using the text box for a list of valuable links. Dan and Earl, you both seem like excellent candidates to take the lead on this. Any volunteers? I was given this information…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-12-27:4778851:Comment:309562010-12-27T10:22:51.000ZEarl wardhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Earlward
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font face="Calibri" size="3">I was given this information at a circuit supervisors meeting for work. It was stated at this meeting the bacterium was found in the spines of the spinach. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Giving the ground water was contaminated by a cattle farm near the fields; the thought was the plant took the bacteria up through the water. My supervisor may have been injecting his own thoughts, don’t know. I will be…</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">I was given this information at a circuit supervisors meeting for work. It was stated at this meeting the bacterium was found in the spines of the spinach. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Giving the ground water was contaminated by a cattle farm near the fields; the thought was the plant took the bacteria up through the water. My supervisor may have been injecting his own thoughts, don’t know. I will be using the Haccp system with my semi commercial adventure. This is why in my analysis of my system I decided to only to use municipal potable water to start the system. Chlorine will also be added and then removed before start-up to reduce any risks. Fish are also tested for VHS and parasites prior to entering the system. By the way evaluation of haccp plans may have been the wrong term. I mostly check company records to make sure they are following the plans, they have written and they have documentation to support the decisions in the plan and analyses. If you would like more info on haccp as related to the meat industry they are stated in code of federal regulations number 9, animal and animal products, part 417, sanitation is 416</font></p>
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<blockquote><div><br/><br/><cite>Earl ward said:</cite><blockquote><div><br/><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">Last years FDA recall of spinach was caused by E coli 0157:h7. The Ecoli 0157:h7 bacteria was actually in the spines of the plants not cross contaminated. This was caused by the plants up take of the bacteria from the ground water. Ecoli 0157:h7 does not live in the intestinal tracts of fish but could be put into the system by cross contamination.</font></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">Earl can you link to the FDA report that determined that the E coli was actually taken up by the plants...rather than cross contamination...</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">I'm struggling to grasp the biological mechanism that allow a plant to incorporate a bacteria into its cell structure...</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">All the FDA information I've read consistently refers to cattle and wild pig contamination of the irrigation wells and ground water... that was used not only to grow the crops...</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">But to wash the product during processing.... and utilised during sanitation of equipment..</font></p>
<blockquote>No definitive determination could be made regarding how E. coli O157:H7 pathogens contaminated spinach in this outbreak.<br/></blockquote>
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<blockquote><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri">The joint FDA/State of California field investigation found the same strain of <em>E. coli</em> O157:H7 as was involved in the illness outbreak in samples taken from a stream and from feces of cattle and wild pigs present on ranches implicated in the outbreak. The investigation team also found evidence that wild pigs have been in the spinach fields.</font></p>
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<blockquote><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Calibri"> Using the product codes on the bags, and employing DNA fingerprinting on the bacteria from the bags, the investigators were able to match environmental samples of E.coli O157:H7 from one field to the strain that had caused the outbreak. Potential environmental risk factors for E.coli O157:H7 contamination at or near the field included the presence of wild pigs, the proximity of irrigation wells used to grow produce for ready-to-eat packaging, and surface waterways exposed to feces from cattle and wildlife.</font></p>
<p>Because the contamination occurred before the start of the investigation, and because of the many ways that E.coli O157:H7 can be transferred -- including animals, humans, and water -- the precise means by which the bacteria spread to the spinach remain unknown.</p>
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</blockquote> no beef with me and i never t…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-12-27:4778851:Comment:309552010-12-27T09:49:43.000ZEarl wardhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Earlward
no beef with me and i never took it as one<br></br><br></br><cite>Dan Brown said:</cite>
<blockquote><div>I'm sorry I was short, it's a pet peeve, I wasn't looking to start a beef, I just wanted to let you know that I wouldn't broach the subject of food safety without the particular experiences I've had in dealing with food safety issues in the restaurant and grocery businesses over a 27 year career. As you're an evaluator of HACCP plans, you've got a specific depth of knowledge regarding food safety…</div>
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no beef with me and i never took it as one<br/><br/><cite>Dan Brown said:</cite>
<blockquote><div>I'm sorry I was short, it's a pet peeve, I wasn't looking to start a beef, I just wanted to let you know that I wouldn't broach the subject of food safety without the particular experiences I've had in dealing with food safety issues in the restaurant and grocery businesses over a 27 year career. As you're an evaluator of HACCP plans, you've got a specific depth of knowledge regarding food safety that many here haven't been exposed to, and as I'd like to be able to pick your brain without concern over having offended you, I'll apologize a second time, and I will value your input in furthering these discussions.<br/><br/><cite>Earl ward said:</cite><br/><blockquote><div>sorry for being redundant but evaluating HACCP plans is what I do for a living as a USDA FSIS Consumer Safety inspector.I just wanted to stress how imprortant HACCP is.<br/><br/><cite>Dan Brown said:</cite><blockquote><div>Earl - Not to be a jerk, but if you look at the first post of the thread, you'll see that I'd made mention of HACCP right off the bat, as well as explaining the original sources of that food safety practice, the definition of the abbreviation, and my faith in the process. I'm glad you agree, and the breakdown in potential hazard areas wasn't something I'd mentioned, but it bugs me when our threads have redundant redundancies.</div>
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</blockquote> Dan, Thanks for the info =)
C…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-12-27:4778851:Comment:309532010-12-27T08:32:16.000ZGrowitright Aquaponicshttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/GrowitrightAquaponics
Dan, Thanks for the info =)<br />
Cheers, Nick @ Grow It Right Aquaponics
Dan, Thanks for the info =)<br />
Cheers, Nick @ Grow It Right Aquaponics