DOW BLUE BOARD, NO NO! - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T10:41:08Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/dow-blue-board-no-no?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A352842&feed=yes&xn_auth=noDitto, I feel more confused a…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2016-08-09:4778851:Comment:6336332016-08-09T21:38:23.038ZMichael & Kristine Stoddardhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/MichaelKristineStoddard
<p>Ditto, I feel more confused at the end than I did at the beginning.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Tony Cabe said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/dow-blue-board-no-no?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A352191&page=3#4778851Comment440394"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi All, I'm to the point in my setup for rafts and I'm confused by this thread. We have the Beaver Plastics product as a choice but what was the verdict for the Dow…</p>
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<p>Ditto, I feel more confused at the end than I did at the beginning.<br/> <br/> <cite>Tony Cabe said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/dow-blue-board-no-no?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A352191&page=3#4778851Comment440394"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi All, I'm to the point in my setup for rafts and I'm confused by this thread. We have the Beaver Plastics product as a choice but what was the verdict for the Dow product?</p>
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<p>When I read the Dow MSDS looking for some of the details referenced here I saw: "Extruded styrenic polymer foam containing a halogenated flame retardant system." I did not see specific references to the chemicals mentioned here. Is the Dow product considered safe to use?</p>
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</blockquote> You can always ask for an MSD…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-11-15:4778851:Comment:5301502013-11-15T01:52:53.399ZSuzanne Hayeshttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SuzanneHayes
<p>You can always ask for an MSDS sheet. They are required by law to provide those. You can also probably find the information here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msds.com/" target="_blank">http://www.msds.com/</a></p>
<p>You can always ask for an MSDS sheet. They are required by law to provide those. You can also probably find the information here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msds.com/" target="_blank">http://www.msds.com/</a></p> Every day a new adventure.
I'…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-11-14:4778851:Comment:5299792013-11-14T20:21:14.505ZGreg Garrisshttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/GregGarriss
<p>Every day a new adventure.</p>
<p>I've used DBB for aquaponics for the past 8 years with no problems ( twitch... ) . But I've been looking at replacing the older rafts with a different hole pattern. Unfortunately, the Lowes here on Hawai'i island only carries the pre-scored 2" thick version but I can special order 20 - unscored 1" sheets for $900. 1-1/2" is unavailable. HD only sells 2'x2' pink sheets.</p>
<p>I called Dow for another source.. Nice conversation up to when I told them what…</p>
<p>Every day a new adventure.</p>
<p>I've used DBB for aquaponics for the past 8 years with no problems ( twitch... ) . But I've been looking at replacing the older rafts with a different hole pattern. Unfortunately, the Lowes here on Hawai'i island only carries the pre-scored 2" thick version but I can special order 20 - unscored 1" sheets for $900. 1-1/2" is unavailable. HD only sells 2'x2' pink sheets.</p>
<p>I called Dow for another source.. Nice conversation up to when I told them what the application was. Then the rep told me they did not support that app and could not / would not refer me to any sales dept. Now I'm thinking of what shipping to Hawai'i from Canada is like...</p> You don't seem to have fallen…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-04-09:4778851:Comment:4604082013-04-09T05:33:04.687ZBob Terrellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BobTerrell
<p>You don't seem to have fallen dead yet, so enjoy your peppers and salad<br></br> <br></br> <cite>David Schwinghamer said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/dow-blue-board-no-no?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A352191&page=3#4778851Comment460313"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Damn, Ive been using the Owen Corning pink board in one of my water beds since May of 2012! Have eaten all sorts of peppers and lettuce from it. Its great I find out about toxins…</p>
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<p>You don't seem to have fallen dead yet, so enjoy your peppers and salad<br/> <br/> <cite>David Schwinghamer said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/dow-blue-board-no-no?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A352191&page=3#4778851Comment460313"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Damn, Ive been using the Owen Corning pink board in one of my water beds since May of 2012! Have eaten all sorts of peppers and lettuce from it. Its great I find out about toxins now, f**k it im going back to dirt.</p>
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</blockquote> Damn, Ive been using the Owen…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-04-08:4778851:Comment:4603132013-04-08T22:51:51.036ZDavid Schwinghamerhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DavidSchwinghamer
<p>Damn, Ive been using the Owen Corning pink board in one of my water beds since May of 2012! Have eaten all sorts of peppers and lettuce from it. Its great I find out about toxins now, f**k it im going back to dirt.</p>
<p>Damn, Ive been using the Owen Corning pink board in one of my water beds since May of 2012! Have eaten all sorts of peppers and lettuce from it. Its great I find out about toxins now, f**k it im going back to dirt.</p> you could buy a sheet and dem…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-02-27:4778851:Comment:4421882013-02-27T11:31:32.073ZMyKisahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/MyKisa
<p>you could buy a sheet and demand an MSDS sheet I would think</p>
<p>you could buy a sheet and demand an MSDS sheet I would think</p> Some people take this hug a t…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-02-27:4778851:Comment:4421782013-02-27T04:11:00.955ZFarcry305https://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/FrankEly
<p>Some people take this hug a tree, save a leaf nonsense . Wait dont eat a salad unless you grew it in a bubble pumped with only certified (by someone) the best possible air and food..LOL</p>
<p>Wondering if im the only one who eats out at restaurants. Just something to think about. </p>
<p>Some people take this hug a tree, save a leaf nonsense . Wait dont eat a salad unless you grew it in a bubble pumped with only certified (by someone) the best possible air and food..LOL</p>
<p>Wondering if im the only one who eats out at restaurants. Just something to think about. </p> Hi All, I'm to the point in…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-02-21:4778851:Comment:4403942013-02-21T13:47:36.983ZTony Cabehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TonyCabe
<p>Hi All, I'm to the point in my setup for rafts and I'm confused by this thread. We have the Beaver Plastics product as a choice but what was the verdict for the Dow product?</p>
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<p>When I read the Dow MSDS looking for some of the details referenced here I saw: "Extruded styrenic polymer foam containing a halogenated flame retardant system." I did not see specific references to the chemicals mentioned here. Is the Dow product considered safe to use?…</p>
<p>Hi All, I'm to the point in my setup for rafts and I'm confused by this thread. We have the Beaver Plastics product as a choice but what was the verdict for the Dow product?</p>
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<p>When I read the Dow MSDS looking for some of the details referenced here I saw: "Extruded styrenic polymer foam containing a halogenated flame retardant system." I did not see specific references to the chemicals mentioned here. Is the Dow product considered safe to use?</p>
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</div> Jon, Kudos for constructively…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-11-18:4778851:Comment:4169572012-11-18T17:09:08.534ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>Jon, Kudos for constructively moving this issue forward for Aquapons in the United States who (for whatever reason, real or imagined) wish to avoid DOW, Owens Corning and Insulfoam, poly-iso boards et al. Hopefully your efforts will bear fruit and give folks a superior product alternative to what is currently available there.</p>
<p>El Rays supplier in Chino is Insulfoam manufacturing Facility, <span>5635 Schaefer Avenue Chino, CA 91710</span><br></br></p>
<p><span>Maybe now that he's…</span></p>
<p>Jon, Kudos for constructively moving this issue forward for Aquapons in the United States who (for whatever reason, real or imagined) wish to avoid DOW, Owens Corning and Insulfoam, poly-iso boards et al. Hopefully your efforts will bear fruit and give folks a superior product alternative to what is currently available there.</p>
<p>El Rays supplier in Chino is Insulfoam manufacturing Facility, <span>5635 Schaefer Avenue Chino, CA 91710</span><br/></p>
<p><span>Maybe now that he's become acquainted with the particulars of the concern over XPS, and knows what it is that he should try to avoid and why, he can hussle to arrange something with them that is truly a somehow safer or different/better alternative to DOW, Owen Corning etc...Instead of just getting someone at the Chino factory to say "Aquaponics? Umm...Sure why not?"...Shit, I should charge him my regular consulting fee, but we'll chalk this one up as <em>pro bono</em> for those unfortunate enough to come from the 'shallow end of the gene pool'.<br/></span></p>
<p><span>At any rate, keep us all posted on your progress with the EPS company from New Mexico. I know I'd sure be interested in using a product like that.</span></p>
<p><span>Have fun surfing. If you ever want to go cross country skiing in November swing on by<img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></span></p> I'm quite happy with the Beav…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-11-18:4778851:Comment:4170642012-11-18T15:51:05.554ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
<p>I'm quite happy with the Beaver Plastics rafts, and I'm working with them to modify a design to make them better (design-wise not material-wise). The only lame thing is that they are made in Canada, and shipping to the US is pricey. I'm also working with some EPS pros here in the states (New Mexico) to produce the same thing, and additionally they will be dipped in opaque epoxy right at the factory. That way there is no need to paint, or drill, and the longevity should get into the decades.…</p>
<p>I'm quite happy with the Beaver Plastics rafts, and I'm working with them to modify a design to make them better (design-wise not material-wise). The only lame thing is that they are made in Canada, and shipping to the US is pricey. I'm also working with some EPS pros here in the states (New Mexico) to produce the same thing, and additionally they will be dipped in opaque epoxy right at the factory. That way there is no need to paint, or drill, and the longevity should get into the decades. The Beaver rafts last only a few years in direct sun, unpainted. Probably the same for DBB. Painted, both last many years, maybe 10ish? BUT, dipped in opaque resin, I see no reason they would not last 20-30 years, maybe more, and eliminate the concern over paint or EPS leaching. Plus, I hate white rafts in open sunlight. They are fricken bright, and totally uncomfortable to work around, not to mention that white, yellow, and pale blue attract pest insects. I painted mine dirt-brown, and instantly the garden was pleasant to be around again.</p>
<p>El Ray, who is the supplier you have in Chino? It seems odd that you would swim with sharks here and slam DBB, and not give the alternative supplier. I was unable to find them. We are all certain that Dow does not approve their product for AP use, and as stated many times here and elsewhere, "why would they?". It doesn't make sense for a big company to stick their neck out for a potential drop in the bucket in profit. We get that. The lack of Dow support does not constitute any potential danger or warning. Even a warning from them would only be at face value without some science to back it up.</p>
<p>Other things to weigh when deciding, are the differences between extruded (DBB), and expanded (Beaver). Expanded has better resistance to water-logging, but also has those annoying little white beads that erode and make a mess of things. And the density, DBB being 1 lb and Beaver being 3 lb. This means that a 1" Beaver board is still stronger than a 2" DBB. </p>
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<p>I'm going surfing. Later gents</p>