Doomsday Preppers - Aquaponics - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T22:20:10Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/doomsday-preppers-aquaponics?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A292542&feed=yes&xn_auth=noam not a doomsday prepper, bu…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-30:4778851:Comment:3126732012-03-30T13:01:17.147Zjerry allisonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/jerryallison
<p>am not a doomsday prepper, but i was a boy scout , i live in new orleans and during hurricane katrina , i thought i was peppered.. a 15kw natural gas generator , the no gas? a backup generator 50 gallons of gasoline not big enough to run the house just the freezer ,air conditioner and my koi pond , no sueage, gun fire everywhere, enough food for two months , the national guard and police forced me to leave my fish died , ( i was not prepared enough ) no blood pressure pills .. as far as…</p>
<p>am not a doomsday prepper, but i was a boy scout , i live in new orleans and during hurricane katrina , i thought i was peppered.. a 15kw natural gas generator , the no gas? a backup generator 50 gallons of gasoline not big enough to run the house just the freezer ,air conditioner and my koi pond , no sueage, gun fire everywhere, enough food for two months , the national guard and police forced me to leave my fish died , ( i was not prepared enough ) no blood pressure pills .. as far as feeding fish with chicken poop no way , a dozen chickens in a pen would be great , i love eggs and fried chicken</p> Carey, in pond culture where…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-11:4778851:Comment:3049022012-03-11T15:04:12.244ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Carey, in pond culture where you are not growing your raw salad ingredients directly in the water, I'm not too worried about the fish exposure to salmonella or e. coli since we cook freshwater fish before eating it.</p>
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<p>Now there are studies that fish grown in waters contaminated with those will have it living on their skins and perhaps even in their guts but again, we don't eat the guts and cooking kills both salmonella and e. coli.</p>
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<p>Carey, in pond culture where you are not growing your raw salad ingredients directly in the water, I'm not too worried about the fish exposure to salmonella or e. coli since we cook freshwater fish before eating it.</p>
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<p>Now there are studies that fish grown in waters contaminated with those will have it living on their skins and perhaps even in their guts but again, we don't eat the guts and cooking kills both salmonella and e. coli.</p>
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<p>The real dangers of duck or chicken poop would be if you grow anything in the system that would be eaten raw.</p> BTW: I use to be a prepper al…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-09:4778851:Comment:3037042012-03-09T03:28:24.737ZCarey Mahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/CareyMa
<p>BTW: I use to be a prepper although back then we didn't have such a nice title, more like doomsdayer or survivalist or simply nut-job. Although I have a nice emergency supply, I do feel kinda naked without my guns and fishing stuff. It's all buried up in the mountains in western Washington below the snowline. I think I have another ten to twenty years before loggers return so should be pretty safe.</p>
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<p>As to poop factor, I'm think I'm done with that topic for now but something has…</p>
<p>BTW: I use to be a prepper although back then we didn't have such a nice title, more like doomsdayer or survivalist or simply nut-job. Although I have a nice emergency supply, I do feel kinda naked without my guns and fishing stuff. It's all buried up in the mountains in western Washington below the snowline. I think I have another ten to twenty years before loggers return so should be pretty safe.</p>
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<p>As to poop factor, I'm think I'm done with that topic for now but something has been nagging at me that duck poop might be safer/ better than chicken poop (in green water culture, <strong>never</strong> in tub/ tank style AP). Fish seem to follow the ducks around waiting for fresh food- yum yum. Maybe fish digestion gets rid of most pathogens? Best be safe than sorry so don't listen to my babble.</p> it isn't really the use of fr…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-09:4778851:Comment:3034802012-03-09T00:39:35.032ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>it isn't really the use of fresh manure to fertilize fish water that bothers me since I eat my fresh water fish cooked.</p>
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<p>But, when you start growing your salad that you won't eat cooked using fresh warm blooded manure, THAT is where the danger lies.</p>
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<p>I'm definitely not Feco Phobic (search discussions on pee ponics and humanure) but it should definitely be composted well before use in production of any food that doesn't get super thoroughly cooked.</p>
<p>it isn't really the use of fresh manure to fertilize fish water that bothers me since I eat my fresh water fish cooked.</p>
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<p>But, when you start growing your salad that you won't eat cooked using fresh warm blooded manure, THAT is where the danger lies.</p>
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<p>I'm definitely not Feco Phobic (search discussions on pee ponics and humanure) but it should definitely be composted well before use in production of any food that doesn't get super thoroughly cooked.</p> A friend is a prepper, and I…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-04:4778851:Comment:3017432012-03-04T14:29:04.809ZGeorgehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Geoge
<p>A friend is a prepper, and I respect it but that still doesn't make fresh chicken poop in an aquaponics system a good idea.<br/> <br/> <cite>Robert C. Wood said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/doomsday-preppers-aquaponics?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A292078&page=2#4778851Comment301641"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p> I do believe in being prepared but we all have to judge for areselves how far we want to take it.</p>
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<p>A friend is a prepper, and I respect it but that still doesn't make fresh chicken poop in an aquaponics system a good idea.<br/> <br/> <cite>Robert C. Wood said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/doomsday-preppers-aquaponics?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A292078&page=2#4778851Comment301641"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p> I do believe in being prepared but we all have to judge for areselves how far we want to take it.</p>
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</blockquote> those are surely some food fo…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-04:4778851:Comment:3016412012-03-04T06:31:55.165ZRobert C. Woodhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RobertCWood
<p>those are surely some food for thought kind of shows. Just enough to get the mind intreged. I saw a show a couple of days ago that was about doomsday preppers, I don't remember what it was called and it was about how well prepared they were also they were rated by a panel. At the end of the rating they were told where they were rated and where they could improve. I do believe in being prepared but we all have to judge for areselves how far we want to take it.</p>
<p>those are surely some food for thought kind of shows. Just enough to get the mind intreged. I saw a show a couple of days ago that was about doomsday preppers, I don't remember what it was called and it was about how well prepared they were also they were rated by a panel. At the end of the rating they were told where they were rated and where they could improve. I do believe in being prepared but we all have to judge for areselves how far we want to take it.</p> I'll bet there are millions…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-03:4778851:Comment:3015092012-03-03T12:55:43.979ZGeorgehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Geoge
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<p>I'll bet there are millions of tons of tilapia consumed in the U.S. each year that were grown out using this method abroad - poop (probably any kind of poop) growing algae which is then consumed by fish. We pollute our own waters, close them to commercial fishing, but then import cheap fish with no quality control whatsoever. If the playing field were leveled the American fish farmers would probably fair better. Gross factor is right - too gross for me to consider eating it.</p>
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<p>I'll bet there are millions of tons of tilapia consumed in the U.S. each year that were grown out using this method abroad - poop (probably any kind of poop) growing algae which is then consumed by fish. We pollute our own waters, close them to commercial fishing, but then import cheap fish with no quality control whatsoever. If the playing field were leveled the American fish farmers would probably fair better. Gross factor is right - too gross for me to consider eating it.</p> Which lends itself to Murray'…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-28:4778851:Comment:2997502012-02-28T16:32:31.445Zmatthew ferrellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/matthewferrell
<p>Which lends itself to Murray's question on how to get the wife to operate a the pump all day.</p>
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Chip Pilkington said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/doomsday-preppers-aquaponics#4778851Comment292402"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>This topic has been getting some airplay on a few of the forums - unfortunately not the best representation of AP.</p>
<p>The subject is certainly not a new one, rather those folks have been…</p>
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<p>Which lends itself to Murray's question on how to get the wife to operate a the pump all day.</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Chip Pilkington said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/doomsday-preppers-aquaponics#4778851Comment292402"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>This topic has been getting some airplay on a few of the forums - unfortunately not the best representation of AP.</p>
<p>The subject is certainly not a new one, rather those folks have been doing there thing for generations waiting for the big event. What I find interesting is the replies - some folks are seeing the value in being prepared, while others treat them as freaky militia types.</p>
<p>Regardless, I don't think AP will be of much use should the "big event" occur as there most likely won't be any power to drive pumps. What power is generated would probably best be used for refrigeration, etc. I think there are better farming techniques for a survival-type scenario.</p>
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Been reading and I'm…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-20:4778851:Comment:2957312012-02-20T09:35:43.010ZChip Pilkingtonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/ChipPilkington
<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>Been reading and I'm getting up to speed on the topic - it's really quite interesting. I believe Carey hit it on the head, as did TC - proper treatment (and education) are key. Not sure that I'm ready to take it on at home, but if some govt agencies over here could get up to speed, there would be great benefits gained.</p>
<p>Just to refresh - we got onto the whole discussion over the chicken waste going into the AP system.</p>
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<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>Been reading and I'm getting up to speed on the topic - it's really quite interesting. I believe Carey hit it on the head, as did TC - proper treatment (and education) are key. Not sure that I'm ready to take it on at home, but if some govt agencies over here could get up to speed, there would be great benefits gained.</p>
<p>Just to refresh - we got onto the whole discussion over the chicken waste going into the AP system.</p>
<p> </p> Hi guys, I didn't mean to ril…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-18:4778851:Comment:2946662012-02-18T09:23:37.179ZCarey Mahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/CareyMa
<p>Hi guys, I didn't mean to rile you all up. I was just trying to point out that in order for us to be ecologically sustainable, we need to balance our nutrient input with output. Our poop <strong>has to be</strong> a factor. I agree that most Asian (esp. SE Asian) countries have little education and use unsafe practices combined with high temperature and humidity is a good formula to breed pestilence.</p>
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<p>I advocate a three step process: 1 Bio digestion to extract methane. 2 High…</p>
<p>Hi guys, I didn't mean to rile you all up. I was just trying to point out that in order for us to be ecologically sustainable, we need to balance our nutrient input with output. Our poop <strong>has to be</strong> a factor. I agree that most Asian (esp. SE Asian) countries have little education and use unsafe practices combined with high temperature and humidity is a good formula to breed pestilence.</p>
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<p>I advocate a three step process: 1 Bio digestion to extract methane. 2 High temp (hot) compost. 3 Time processed compost.</p>
<p>After this second stage, nutrients can be safely integrated into the AP stream indirectly, through raised bed hydro-organic filtration or directly after the third stage.</p>
<p>I am in the process (next few years) of determining the safety of using some animal feces in green water culture. Fresh feces from healthy animals if eaten immediately, seems at this point, to be acceptably safe ( not lab confirmed yet). </p>
<p><strong>I do not advocate the use of human manure directly without full composting</strong>.</p>