Dog waste ok in Biopod? - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T20:09:22Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/dog-waste-ok-in-biopod?x=1&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A477998&feed=yes&xn_auth=no@Tim Day. I bet there are to…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-09-24:4778851:Comment:5196242013-09-24T03:59:52.412ZJon Paulhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonathanPaulGrenard
<p>@Tim Day. I bet there are tons of beneficial bugs that we have not discovered. Two months ago out of nowhere my sump tank became populated with a 1000+ tinny snails. At first i was a little worried but after doing some research i found that they only help the system by breaking down the solids more. It nice having more than just fish living in the system.</p>
<p>One day When i was staring at my tinny snails I noticed a much smaller creature that was swimming in the water. It was the…</p>
<p>@Tim Day. I bet there are tons of beneficial bugs that we have not discovered. Two months ago out of nowhere my sump tank became populated with a 1000+ tinny snails. At first i was a little worried but after doing some research i found that they only help the system by breaking down the solids more. It nice having more than just fish living in the system.</p>
<p>One day When i was staring at my tinny snails I noticed a much smaller creature that was swimming in the water. It was the size of a peace of sand. I figured that it does not harm anything and only adds to the biodiversity of the system. </p> Sorry Jon, I meant to follow…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-07-01:4778851:Comment:4898102013-07-01T22:56:02.896ZAlex Veidelhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/AlexVeidel
<p>Sorry Jon, I meant to follow up on this. I got that number from Biopod's figures. Sort of. I revisited my material and realized I misinterpreted. The example that was listed was that if you feed bsf larva 100lb of food scraps, you will end up with 5lb of bsf castings. Which is where I got: 95% of what they eat goes to weight. However, I never thought to include the variable of them actually using food as energy :/ Must've thought they just sat idly, never moving, completely…</p>
<p>Sorry Jon, I meant to follow up on this. I got that number from Biopod's figures. Sort of. I revisited my material and realized I misinterpreted. The example that was listed was that if you feed bsf larva 100lb of food scraps, you will end up with 5lb of bsf castings. Which is where I got: 95% of what they eat goes to weight. However, I never thought to include the variable of them actually using food as energy :/ Must've thought they just sat idly, never moving, completely lethargic.</p>
<p>However wrong the thinking behind my statement was, what I said, taken at face value, I believe to be true. 95% of what they eat DOES go to weight, it just may not stay that way, as some of the calories get burned up to fuel the larva's active lifestyle, resulting in your figure of a 20% food to weight conversion ratio. Being on the subject of potentially dangerous chemicals and other things, the point was that the vast majority of what they eat stays inside of them, as compared to, say, the redworm, which expels most of what it eats as castings, so you may want to be careful what you feed them if you are using them in a food production cycle, especially one you are using to sell to other people.</p>
<p>Thanks for saying something; it made me rethink everything and that was a lot of fun. I can't believe I had concocted a 95% food to weight ratio...</p>
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<div><div class="xg_user_generated"><br/> <em>By the way, Alex, the figure I saw from Dr Olivier was that BSFL convert about 20% waste to biomass, not 95%. And...each step along the way of waste breakdown gives more opportunity for pathogens to be out-competed.</em></div>
</div> I wonder what other handy ins…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-06-28:4778851:Comment:4888632013-06-28T17:34:12.456ZTim Dayhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TimDay
<p>I wonder what other handy insects are out there that we haven't discovered yet...</p>
<p>I wonder what other handy insects are out there that we haven't discovered yet...</p> Like Jon Parr, I am one of th…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-06-28:4778851:Comment:4888242013-06-28T04:10:45.603ZCarey Mahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/CareyMa
<p>Like Jon Parr, I am one of the few that are not sob squeamish about using urine or manure. I too like Jon’s idea about releasing BSF into the wild, however in my situation, I cannot let all that wonderful nutrient go to waste. In my farm my chicken are moved into sections of pasture that either swine or cattle have previously been. They love to scratch through the files looking for grubs. Dog and cat poo however are placed in pet poo only/ dedicated compost bins and/ or worm bins, not so…</p>
<p>Like Jon Parr, I am one of the few that are not sob squeamish about using urine or manure. I too like Jon’s idea about releasing BSF into the wild, however in my situation, I cannot let all that wonderful nutrient go to waste. In my farm my chicken are moved into sections of pasture that either swine or cattle have previously been. They love to scratch through the files looking for grubs. Dog and cat poo however are placed in pet poo only/ dedicated compost bins and/ or worm bins, not so much because of pathogens but because if parasites and medication. These bins are moved a meter away once a week or so to fertilize trees and let nature bioremediate.</p>
<p>I personally believe that most of American society has been duped by the powers that be; to scare us into believing that any and all threats can and will be "handled" by government policy. I believe it is the production system itself that is at fault and if we can somehow get away from centralized feeding (CAFOs) operations and centralized processing (the real culprits of this bio-security scare then dramatized by mass media) we will be a lot happier and safer.</p>
<p>There are over a billion people here eating food grown with raw manure every day. Yet there are very few cases of large scale contamination. E-coli is everywhere: on your hands, in the air. It’s more a matter of allowing these bad bugs to propagate to the point of causing harm or provide an inhospitable environment for them so they cannot do harm.</p> Man, you've just got to love…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-06-27:4778851:Comment:4883002013-06-27T05:05:40.466ZGeorgehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Geoge
<p><span>M<span>an, you've just got to love BSF. My fish do too. They self h<span>arvest, which is gre<span>at. They re<span>ally go for coffee grounds.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span>M<span>an, you've just got to love BSF. My fish do too. They self h<span>arvest, which is gre<span>at. They re<span>ally go for coffee grounds.</span></span></span></span></span></p> e coli, salmonella etc, all w…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-06-26:4778851:Comment:4883512013-06-26T18:18:30.849ZTim Dayhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TimDay
<p>e coli, salmonella etc, all warm blooded animal diseases. You probably want to avoid any warm blooded animal waste in your system (even in the bellies of larvae) because it might be carrying things that could make you sick. Or your guests sick. It might not, but it's a risk.</p>
<p>I like Jons idea of releasing the larvae into nature though, to turn into more flies that can then populate your poo-free pods. I can't imagine that being an issue.</p>
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<p>e coli, salmonella etc, all warm blooded animal diseases. You probably want to avoid any warm blooded animal waste in your system (even in the bellies of larvae) because it might be carrying things that could make you sick. Or your guests sick. It might not, but it's a risk.</p>
<p>I like Jons idea of releasing the larvae into nature though, to turn into more flies that can then populate your poo-free pods. I can't imagine that being an issue.</p>
<p></p> Jon, that's a load of BSF :D…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-06-26:4778851:Comment:4880962013-06-26T17:33:40.618ZAlex Veidelhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/AlexVeidel
<p>Jon, that's a load of BSF :D</p>
<p>Not being serious, I've just always wanted to use that line.</p>
<p>I don't think anyone is saying that BSF larva are not good for processing animal waste. Like you said, you just wouldn't want to introduce them into your food production system, at the very least not without taking some other precautions.</p>
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<p>Jon, that's a load of BSF :D</p>
<p>Not being serious, I've just always wanted to use that line.</p>
<p>I don't think anyone is saying that BSF larva are not good for processing animal waste. Like you said, you just wouldn't want to introduce them into your food production system, at the very least not without taking some other precautions.</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/dog-waste-ok-in-biopod#4778851Comment487774"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Jamie, I may stand alone here, but I disagree with the general convictions. BSFL are excellent decomposers of poo and animal-based waste (bones, fat, blood and guts). I regularly feed my BSFL bins both, and they thrive in it. One of the reasons BSFL rules are different than composting worms, is that they eat much faster (so fast that it doesn't have time to rot), more efficiently, and create heat in the process (enough heat to kill many pathogens). If there is a heavy meat load, for instance, the ammonia alone created in the bin is nose curling, and no doubt has some sterilizing affect. The grubs shed their skins, and crawl out when full size. Once collected, they are clean to hold in your hands, and there is no odor to them. I don't add pet waste to mine, but they see plenty of animal carcasses and chicken shit. The biopod developer uses his to process pig shit, which is way worse than cat or dog.<br/> <br/> That being said, it is always smart (and legally binding) to prevent any possible warm-blooded waste from contaminating your produce. So...I would recomend building a designated pet poo pod and let the grubs out to nature to procreate, or gather them and sterilize by heat or desication before feeding fish</div>
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</blockquote> Jamie, I may stand alone here…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-06-25:4778851:Comment:4877742013-06-25T14:22:37.122ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
Jamie, I may stand alone here, but I disagree with the general convictions. BSFL are excellent decomposers of poo and animal-based waste (bones, fat, blood and guts). I regularly feed my BSFL bins both, and they thrive in it. One of the reasons BSFL rules are different than composting worms, is that they eat much faster (so fast that it doesn't have time to rot), more efficiently, and create heat in the process (enough heat to kill many pathogens). If there is a heavy meat load, for instance,…
Jamie, I may stand alone here, but I disagree with the general convictions. BSFL are excellent decomposers of poo and animal-based waste (bones, fat, blood and guts). I regularly feed my BSFL bins both, and they thrive in it. One of the reasons BSFL rules are different than composting worms, is that they eat much faster (so fast that it doesn't have time to rot), more efficiently, and create heat in the process (enough heat to kill many pathogens). If there is a heavy meat load, for instance, the ammonia alone created in the bin is nose curling, and no doubt has some sterilizing affect. The grubs shed their skins, and crawl out when full size. Once collected, they are clean to hold in your hands, and there is no odor to them. I don't add pet waste to mine, but they see plenty of animal carcasses and chicken shit. The biopod developer uses his to process pig shit, which is way worse than cat or dog.<br/>
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That being said, it is always smart (and legally binding) to prevent any possible warm-blooded waste from contaminating your produce. So...I would recomend building a designated pet poo pod and let the grubs out to nature to procreate, or gather them and sterilize by heat or desication before feeding fish.<br/>
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By the way, Alex, the figure I saw from Dr Olivier was that BSFL convert about 20% waste to biomass, not 95%. And...each step along the way of waste breakdown gives more opportunity for pathogens to be out-competed. Oh, and I'm glad to hear I'm…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-05-28:4778851:Comment:4803742013-05-28T23:14:57.479ZAlex Veidelhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/AlexVeidel
<p>Oh, and I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who gets their kicks from manure and fly maggots.</p>
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<p><em>"The thought of putting Dog waste in the Biopod (a remarkable compost bin that self harvests Black Soldier fly larvae) got me excited."</em></p>
<p>Oh, and I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who gets their kicks from manure and fly maggots.</p>
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<p><em>"The thought of putting Dog waste in the Biopod (a remarkable compost bin that self harvests Black Soldier fly larvae) got me excited."</em></p> Just tell your guests after t…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-05-28:4778851:Comment:4804622013-05-28T23:12:59.764ZAlex Veidelhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/AlexVeidel
<p>Just tell your guests <em>after</em> they've eaten :) Dog poop is not usually a good idea, especially if you are going to be eating any of the end products. BSF larvae convert food to biomass. Since 95% of what they eat goes to weight, whatever you feed them ends up staying inside of them. Especially dangerous if you are using de-worming medication or anything like that.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jaimie Denner said:…</cite></p>
<p>Just tell your guests <em>after</em> they've eaten :) Dog poop is not usually a good idea, especially if you are going to be eating any of the end products. BSF larvae convert food to biomass. Since 95% of what they eat goes to weight, whatever you feed them ends up staying inside of them. Especially dangerous if you are using de-worming medication or anything like that.<br/> <br/> <cite>Jaimie Denner said:</cite></p>
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<li>Thanks! Turns out upon further thought, it sounds too unappetizing to advertize to the dinner guests.</li>
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