Do you Uberman? - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T09:13:38Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/do-you-uberman?groupUrl=threadjackers&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A297473&groupId=4778851%3AGroup%3A296788&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI too never recall dieing in…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-27:4778851:Comment:2992632012-02-27T23:24:41.985ZCarey Mahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/CareyMa
<p>I too never recall dieing in my dreams.</p>
<p>Under those terms; here is a recall of one of my most memorable "invited" dreams/ Hallucinations.</p>
<p>The jest of this encounter was that everything is actually Math formulas; music, sound, matter, energy etc. This happened in the early nineties. I had just eaten at Jack in the box and got a real bad case of food poisoning. Yep the once infamous JB E-coli thing that killed a couple o kids and a slew of people got pretty sick.That night, I had…</p>
<p>I too never recall dieing in my dreams.</p>
<p>Under those terms; here is a recall of one of my most memorable "invited" dreams/ Hallucinations.</p>
<p>The jest of this encounter was that everything is actually Math formulas; music, sound, matter, energy etc. This happened in the early nineties. I had just eaten at Jack in the box and got a real bad case of food poisoning. Yep the once infamous JB E-coli thing that killed a couple o kids and a slew of people got pretty sick.That night, I had an unbelievable experience. Sweating and thrashing I waved in and out of consciousness. Too sick to think about going to the bathroom and puking nastiness out and all alone with no one to guide or comfort, I rolled and tossed. Somewhere down the road I remember thinking that this is not a good sign and though I've brushed death many times, my conclusion seemed to be upon me. I remember thinking that though I haven't realize my purpose, I knew that I had a destiny and shouldn't give up so easily.So I did what I always did when I was in trouble. I prayed. This time instead of tele-patching me, I was granted audience. The voice said to me. "What are you doing here Carey"? "You do not need me to fix what is wrong, for you well know how it fix it yourself." And he touched my face. The world was instantly transformed into instantly recognizable, though complex looking formulas. I rushed beck to my body at just under the speed of thought and dove right into my body and into my intestines. There I saw what was wrong and fixed it. The next thing I knew, I was waking up feeling just fine and went merrily to work singing, "I owe, I owe, so off to work I go.....</p>
<p>The most frustrating thing about lucid dreams is when you spend who knows how long (could be a split second or the whole night) " accomplishing" something important just to find that you haven't actually done it. Last night I dreamed I had finished a proposal. At waking, I could still see all the details, read every word, graphics drawn but upon opening my eyes, I realized I still have to put it together...again! At least I have the format set and layout for my graphics. </p>
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<p>As part of my religious rites, I practice both types of self induced & invited crossovers four times a year. These hallucinations are very different in texture than lucid dreaming though contextually maybe vary similar.</p>
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<p>What is a daydream? Is it different from sleep dreams?</p>
<p>To me, daydreaming is like wearing a pair of holo-projection glasses. I can see and am aware of my surroundings but I also see scenes like in a movie, interacting with the background. i.e. a soccer match on a play field or other sports activities.</p> Yes, you're right TC, halluci…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-27:4778851:Comment:2991712012-02-27T15:30:11.929ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
<p>Yes, you're right TC, hallucinations may not be invited. I was trying to make the distinction of "letting" your mind wander, as opposed to "forcing" it to wander. </p>
<p>Yes, you're right TC, hallucinations may not be invited. I was trying to make the distinction of "letting" your mind wander, as opposed to "forcing" it to wander. </p> LOL,
The idea that hallu…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-27:4778851:Comment:2992032012-02-27T14:29:04.217ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>LOL,</p>
<p> The idea that hallucinations are invited. Hum I suppose that might tell a bit about the context in which one thinks of hallucinations. Some hallucinations are invited I suppose by people who use substances to induce them on purpose, however, extreme sleep deprivation, illness and injury can also cause Hallucinations. I was figuring that the ones invited (sometimes by the religious use of substances) would be seen as visions by the people seeking them. The ones brought on…</p>
<p>LOL,</p>
<p> The idea that hallucinations are invited. Hum I suppose that might tell a bit about the context in which one thinks of hallucinations. Some hallucinations are invited I suppose by people who use substances to induce them on purpose, however, extreme sleep deprivation, illness and injury can also cause Hallucinations. I was figuring that the ones invited (sometimes by the religious use of substances) would be seen as visions by the people seeking them. The ones brought on by other causes might just be side effects or symptoms according to western medicine but religions might attribute them as visions. </p>
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<p>I've had dreams that came scary close to predicting future events, who is to say our consciousness can't tap into something bigger that isn't bounded by time but, of course till something actually happens, the details are always going to be variable so I expect there is a chance that many dreams could be predicting possible futures but very rarely will they predict the one that actually comes to pass and it would be a rare person that actually remembers enough of their dreams to actually see the two things come together in a deja vo experience.</p>
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<p>So many of my dreams seem to just be my mind playing and it seems to have such odd tastes in virtual reality scenarios that I sometimes wonder about it.<a rel="nofollow" style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/></a></p> Good stuff. Vlad, I've had t…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-27:4778851:Comment:2988992012-02-27T14:05:57.007ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
<p>Good stuff. Vlad, I've had two lucid dreams since the last post, both during daylight, both times I tried to look at my hand, and both times I physically opened my eyes and woke. Easier said than done. Thanks for you descriptions and thought patterns, all very fascinating.</p>
<p>I didn't mean to insinuate that death and dark dreams were hand-in-hand with psycho problems. I was just surprised that the majority of these teenage girls, largely insulated from the harsh realities of life, had…</p>
<p>Good stuff. Vlad, I've had two lucid dreams since the last post, both during daylight, both times I tried to look at my hand, and both times I physically opened my eyes and woke. Easier said than done. Thanks for you descriptions and thought patterns, all very fascinating.</p>
<p>I didn't mean to insinuate that death and dark dreams were hand-in-hand with psycho problems. I was just surprised that the majority of these teenage girls, largely insulated from the harsh realities of life, had experienced death in dream. I haven't, so this was just an eye-opener.</p>
<p>Nate, I'm right there with you in feeling exhilarated after a dark dream. Exhilarated that I experienced such events, and exhilarated that I didn't at the same time. I have my share of them, and the feeling of relief upon discovering it was just a dream is almost a high in itself. I hope that my mortgage turns out to just be a bad dream :-)</p>
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<p>Eric, your comment about "test for future events" reminds me that two of the girls had what they called "dream deja vu", where an actual event happened after having been dreamed. I think I've had this before, though I can't think know of what it was or when. My oldest son I suspect of doing this quite often, because he often recounts stories of things we did as a family, which we didn't actually do. We razz him about it, but I think some of his dreams become logged in his memory as true life events, and later he cannot differentiate the dream from life. Many times he swears we have already been somewhere, or already done the thing we are doing for the first time, and backs it up with details, and it so convincing that I assume he is right and I have forgotten (I have the memory of a gnat), but a cross check with the family indicates otherwise. Either it never happened, or ALL of us forgot the event in question.</p>
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<p>Carey, I agree with TC's description regarding dream, hallucination, or vision. I might add that dreams are typically uninvited, hallucinations are invited. Both result in the mind playing movie director, and we just sit back and enjoy the ride. The exception is lucid dreaming, where the conscience and the psyche hold hands. A vision is where we take a piece of the dream or hallucination and apply it to our waking lives.</p> I think TC once again hits th…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-27:4778851:Comment:2991502012-02-27T05:43:52.208ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>I think TC once again hits the proverbial nail on the head... "It is all a matter of perception". That statement right there probably covers just about everything (ever). </p>
<p>Jon, I read a lot of Descartes as a kid, so I didn't feel all that silly doing the "reality testing" bit. One of the things that helped me do it without laughing at myself was this: When you dream, you normally don't know that you are dreaming. You are convinced that what ever is happening is real, while you are…</p>
<p>I think TC once again hits the proverbial nail on the head... "It is all a matter of perception". That statement right there probably covers just about everything (ever). </p>
<p>Jon, I read a lot of Descartes as a kid, so I didn't feel all that silly doing the "reality testing" bit. One of the things that helped me do it without laughing at myself was this: When you dream, you normally don't know that you are dreaming. You are convinced that what ever is happening is real, while you are dreaming it. So, how can I be <em>certain </em>that I am not dreaming right now?</p>
<p>Think about it...the very same senses and mechanisms that you rely on to know when something is 'real' or 'illusion' utterly fail you when you dreaming. So who's to say you're not dreaming right now?...And then your brain begins cataloging...pros/cons. Which is good because the devil is always in the details, and I'm coming to find that I'm not the only one who's lucid dreaming is bundled up (often) with false awakenings (where you dream you woke up and you think you are going about your day, but in 'actuality' you're still in bed dreaming. It sounds messed up, but your mind will do this. This is actually an easier scenario to realize that you are in fact dreaming (and hence go lucid), than the other way around. Meaning, you will more easily notice some little detail that is slightly askew, to tip you off to the fact this is not waking life and that you are still in fact dreaming (and that you just dreamt you woke up), than to realize that it is absurd for you to be riding a pink elephant the size of Rhode Island with man-faced dogs nipping at your heals; and that because all this is happening, you must be dreaming. It just doesn't seem to happen like that.</p>
<p></p> Each of us has different live…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-27:4778851:Comment:2988522012-02-27T01:26:12.528ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Each of us has different lives and we change through those lives so the nature and purpose of our dreams should change and vary. Heck, just because a computer can be used to play games doesn't mean that is all it's good for.</p>
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<p>What is a dream, vision, hallucination? Well, generally we figure dreams happens when we are sleeping and the other two would be while we are awake but I'm not sure that really matters.</p>
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<p>Let me ask a different question, What is a weed? It…</p>
<p>Each of us has different lives and we change through those lives so the nature and purpose of our dreams should change and vary. Heck, just because a computer can be used to play games doesn't mean that is all it's good for.</p>
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<p>What is a dream, vision, hallucination? Well, generally we figure dreams happens when we are sleeping and the other two would be while we are awake but I'm not sure that really matters.</p>
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<p>Let me ask a different question, What is a weed? It is all a matter of perception I believe. A plant is a weed if it is in a place you don't want it. A vision happening when you don't want it would probably be a hallucination, a hallucination you seek could probably be a "vision". What happens in your dreams are for you to decide.<br/> <br/> <cite>Carey Ma said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/do-you-uberman?groupUrl=threadjackers&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A298637&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment298551"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I can't disagree with his experience but I personally don't view dreams that way at all. And maybe that is another factor.? Each of us have different experiences prescribed by our personal needs and abilities?</p>
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<p>@ Vlad: Please be very cautious about astral traveling. That is not dream my friend. There is good reason your spidey scenes are shrieking. Do not tangle and do not tarry. We do not belong there.</p>
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<p>A question for you all...What is the difference between dreaming, having a vision and having a hallucination? </p>
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</blockquote> That is interesting Jon. Yeah…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-26:4778851:Comment:2987502012-02-26T21:59:05.977ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>That is interesting Jon. Yeah I'm pretty sure that dying in your dreams is quite common, and that crap about "if you die in dream, you'll die for real", was made up by some slightly older kid (who probably already experience dying in a dream), to scare the crap out of some slightly younger kid who didn't know any better yet, and it just caught on... like Mikey from the Life commercials Pop Rocks and Soda...I remember reading some study long ago that analyzed the threatening content…</p>
<p>That is interesting Jon. Yeah I'm pretty sure that dying in your dreams is quite common, and that crap about "if you die in dream, you'll die for real", was made up by some slightly older kid (who probably already experience dying in a dream), to scare the crap out of some slightly younger kid who didn't know any better yet, and it just caught on... like Mikey from the Life commercials Pop Rocks and Soda...I remember reading some study long ago that analyzed the threatening content of children's dreams at different age brackets. It was interesting that girls almost never dreamt about being threatened by animals, whereas it was super common for boys (I forget the age groups where it was most common). What <em>was</em> a common feature for girls was dreaming of being threatened by an unknown older male (from another tribe perhaps). Which sort of makes sense when thought about dreams as 'threat rehearsal' in the context of our distant past (though now maybe just an evolutionary left-over)? </p>
<p>I think probably some people are inclined to have lucid dreams more often than others, although once you notice, and would wish have them more often, there seem to be a number of things you can do to increase there occurrence (without polyphasic sleep necessarily). </p>
<p>There is something called Reflection-Intention techniques, which rely on gaining skill in <em>prospective</em> remembering, as opposed to retrospective memory. ..."<span>a localized memory faculty in the brain that specializes in recalling intentions that should be executed at the time of recognizing a predetermined signal sometime in the future..." (Einstein et al. 2005; LaBerge & Rheingold, 1990). I guess things like my non-working light switch that I mentioned earlier would fall into this category. Another easy thing you can do is, while awake and going about your daily business, is to question the present state you in, continually throughout the day. (Called Reality Testing). "Am I dreaming? Am i awake? And how do I know?..." etc...Seems to carry over into your sleep, which will then hopefully help you to realize consciously when your dreaming.</span></p>
<p><span>@Eric, I don't think that dreams serve only one biological purpose, or that all dreams are of the same ilk. There is definitely somthing to be said about the role they have played (and will continue to play) in the evolution of the human mind, i.e. threat rehearsal, but there are probably more than just that one <em>type</em> of dream. (If not, then I and the planet are totally f*ucked).</span></p>
<p><span>@Carey, IDK, that's a tough question. I used to think that "having a vision" was just what christians called it when another christian was "hallucinating". <img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></span></p>
<p><span><br/></span></p> That's interesting Jon. I co…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-26:4778851:Comment:2985792012-02-26T18:56:24.962ZNate Storeyhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/NateStorey
<p>That's interesting Jon. I consider myself a really well adjusted person, but most of my dreams (or at least the ones I remember) are pretty dark. I would say that I die fairly regularly and most of my dreams involve fighting monsters or bad-guys to save people. I typically feel in control to some extent, but not always capable of dictating the pace or direction of the dream. I'm sure someone would remark that this somehow reflects my primal nature or sub-concious needs struggle with…</p>
<p>That's interesting Jon. I consider myself a really well adjusted person, but most of my dreams (or at least the ones I remember) are pretty dark. I would say that I die fairly regularly and most of my dreams involve fighting monsters or bad-guys to save people. I typically feel in control to some extent, but not always capable of dictating the pace or direction of the dream. I'm sure someone would remark that this somehow reflects my primal nature or sub-concious needs struggle with people or things, or some nonsense like that, but I almost think it's kind of yin-yang. My real life is wonderful. Not without difficulty and sadness from time to time, but I love my family and I have food and a roof over my head and everything that matters. I kind of wonder if dreams are a sort of balancing act, giving my body the experience of utter sorrow and anger to balance out the truth of my reality. (i.e. I've had dreams where my wife dies and I wake up utterly confused and depressed- then I realize that it was just a dream and I feel incredibly exhilarated) I almost think it's our mind exercising the centers that aren't always exercised in day-to-day modern life.</p>
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<p><br/> <cite>Jon Parr said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/do-you-uberman?groupUrl=threadjackers&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A298578&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment298637"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>So, my 13 year old daughter is having a slumber party tonight (oh joy), with seven other girls ages 11 to 15. During dinner, the constant chatter of girls and four conversations at once, turned to dreams. On account of my recent interest here on the forum, I started asking them details of these wild tales. Of the eight girls, I was astounded to discover that five of them have died in their dreams (my own daughter was one of them), two of those die quite regurlarly. Of the eight, the two who have recurring death dreams are the sweetest little girls, not at all messed in the head or "different". One of those two, the youngest girl at 11 years old, has had a dream where she commit suicide, shot herself in the chest. And she saw the mourning of her family and dreamed her own funeral. I asked her if she was having a hard time or any unusual stress at the time, and she said "No, totally random". </p>
<p>I found this amazing, and a bit disturbing. At first I blamed TV, though perhaps nothing is to blame, and the dreams of children were equal in times of old, or worse. So then I explained the concept of lucid dreaming. Five of them have been aware that they were in a dream during a dream, but only three of them capable of influencing the direction of their dreams, and quite surprisingly the most profound of these was my daughter. I have never discussed lucid dreaming with my family or kids. My daughter says she commonly dreams of encounters with monsters, kidnappers, or generic bad guys. She cannot avoid the attacks, but she can actively call for help, usually superheros (spider-man) for monsters, or me for bad guys. Interesting stuff. I'm aching to have a lucid dream again, but it hasn't happened since this thread was started. Murphy strikes again.</p>
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</blockquote> I believe the difference is a…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-26:4778851:Comment:2985782012-02-26T18:27:07.251ZEric Warwickhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/EricWarwick
<p>I believe the difference is a vision is a abstract idea given a diagram in your head; a hallucination is random images in your head; and a dream is a hallucination, but at night. </p>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/do-you-uberman?groupUrl=threadjackers&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A298551&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment298551"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>A question for you all...What is the difference between…</p>
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<p>I believe the difference is a vision is a abstract idea given a diagram in your head; a hallucination is random images in your head; and a dream is a hallucination, but at night. </p>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/do-you-uberman?groupUrl=threadjackers&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A298551&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment298551"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>A question for you all...What is the difference between dreaming, having a vision and having a hallucination? </p>
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</blockquote> I can't disagree with his exp…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-02-26:4778851:Comment:2985512012-02-26T09:34:35.119ZCarey Mahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/CareyMa
<p>I can't disagree with his experience but I personally don't view dreams that way at all. And maybe that is another factor.? Each of us have different experiences prescribed by our personal needs and abilities?</p>
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<p>@ Vlad: Please be very cautious about astral traveling. That is not dream my friend. There is good reason your spidey scenes are shrieking. Do not tangle and do not tarry. We do not belong there.</p>
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<p>A question for you all...What is the difference between…</p>
<p>I can't disagree with his experience but I personally don't view dreams that way at all. And maybe that is another factor.? Each of us have different experiences prescribed by our personal needs and abilities?</p>
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<p>@ Vlad: Please be very cautious about astral traveling. That is not dream my friend. There is good reason your spidey scenes are shrieking. Do not tangle and do not tarry. We do not belong there.</p>
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<p>A question for you all...What is the difference between dreaming, having a vision and having a hallucination? </p>