Chop 1 or Chop Mark 2 System??? - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T19:08:22Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/chop-1-or-chop-mark-2-system?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A77413&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi Alpha Aqua, Everyone has t…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-29:4778851:Comment:3430542012-05-29T19:36:27.283ZMurray Hallamhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/MurrayHallam
<p>Hi Alpha Aqua, <br/>Everyone has to earn a living and the cost is a very small $12.90. There is a heap of other very useful info in the members area, so it is good value.</p>
<p>Hi Alpha Aqua, <br/>Everyone has to earn a living and the cost is a very small $12.90. There is a heap of other very useful info in the members area, so it is good value.</p> Hello all.
this is my 1st po…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-29:4778851:Comment:3432022012-05-29T18:49:20.950ZAlpha Aquahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/AlphaAqua
<p>Hello all.</p>
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<p>this is my 1st post on the site.</p>
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<p>I'm looking for the parts list for Murray Hallam's Chop mark two system.</p>
<p>I understand he has them on his site but you have to be a paid member.</p>
<p>I tried google and couldn't find it.</p>
<p>Can anyone here help me out.?</p>
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<p>Hello all.</p>
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<p>this is my 1st post on the site.</p>
<p></p>
<p>I'm looking for the parts list for Murray Hallam's Chop mark two system.</p>
<p>I understand he has them on his site but you have to be a paid member.</p>
<p>I tried google and couldn't find it.</p>
<p>Can anyone here help me out.?</p>
<p></p> tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-31:4778851:Comment:803142011-03-31T22:41:35.201ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
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<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/></a> Collection points...... Just…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-31:4778851:Comment:805082011-03-31T22:10:11.860ZMurray Hallamhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/MurrayHallam
Collection points...... Just terminology that is better applied to a purely raft system or an aquaculture system. Sorry for that. As you are aware I am a great believer in the power of the humble gravel grow bed to collect, process, convert solids into very useful plant and worm food. A very efficient bio filter that we just happen to grow plants in.
Collection points...... Just terminology that is better applied to a purely raft system or an aquaculture system. Sorry for that. As you are aware I am a great believer in the power of the humble gravel grow bed to collect, process, convert solids into very useful plant and worm food. A very efficient bio filter that we just happen to grow plants in. LOL,many of us with home syst…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-31:4778851:Comment:803072011-03-31T20:42:27.673ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>LOL,many of us with home systems never collect any solids out of the systems and just leave them to collect in the grow beds where the worms work on them. Hum, does that mean that every one of my grow beds is a solids collecting point? Not a removal point just a collecting point<br></br> <a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Tongue.gif"></img></a></p>
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<p>I expect any container where the water can settle can be a collecting point. So any clairifier, net tank, settling tank, still water sump tank, etc…</p>
<p>LOL,many of us with home systems never collect any solids out of the systems and just leave them to collect in the grow beds where the worms work on them. Hum, does that mean that every one of my grow beds is a solids collecting point? Not a removal point just a collecting point<br/> <a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Tongue.gif"/></a></p>
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<p>I expect any container where the water can settle can be a collecting point. So any clairifier, net tank, settling tank, still water sump tank, etc will all provide points where solids could be collected from the system. Perhaps also if you can access low points in plumbing with a clean out that could be counted as a collecting point. I have some plumbing situated such that I can open the clean out over a grow bed to give the pipes a clean out and the solids land right in the gravel grow bed.</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Murray Hallam said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/chop-1-or-chop-mark-2-system?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A80411&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment80411"><div>Hi Mary,<br/>7 collection points is not necessary, we went a bit overboard on that particular job, but it serves to show that if you wanted to collect every tiny bit of suspended solids, you will have a big job on your hands. That many collection points is definately not necessary in a home system.<br/><br/>Currently working on some plans for that kind of job.<br/><br/>Murray<br/> <br/></div>
</blockquote> Hi Mary,7 collection points i…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-31:4778851:Comment:804112011-03-31T20:36:44.759ZMurray Hallamhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/MurrayHallam
Hi Mary,<br></br>7 collection points is not necessary, we went a bit overboard on that particular job, but it serves to show that if you wanted to collect every tiny bit of suspended solids, you will have a big job on your hands. That many collection points is definately not necessary in a home system.<br></br><br></br>Currently working on some plans for that kind of job.<br></br><br></br>Murray<br></br>
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Hi Mary,<br/>7 collection points is not necessary, we went a bit overboard on that particular job, but it serves to show that if you wanted to collect every tiny bit of suspended solids, you will have a big job on your hands. That many collection points is definately not necessary in a home system.<br/><br/>Currently working on some plans for that kind of job.<br/><br/>Murray<br/>
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<cite>Mary Hundley said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/chop-1-or-chop-mark-2-system?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A80011&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment80011"><div><p>Murray,</p>
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<p>I've ordered your videos, and perhaps it is covered in those, but in the response below, you state that you have 7 solids collection points, in addition to the sump. Since I am setting up a commercial operation, how are these collection points integrated into the CHOP 2? Is there a place where I can obtain a plumbing diagram? Thanks again for all your help.</p>
<p>(-: Mary <br/><br/><cite>Murray Hallam said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><p>Hi Richard,<br/>Yes, solids do settle out in the sump but the FT is clean. The grow beds do not catch all of the very fine suspended solids. We have one system running on CHOP 1 (CHIFTPIST if you like). After the water has gone through the grow beds and dropped into the sump/s there is solid matter gathered in the sump/s. Then the water, on it's way back to the FT is split in two. Half goes via a settling trough the other half direct to the FT. <br/><br/>It is amazing how much material is accumulated in the settling trough. We left it accumulate for 12 months just to see what happened. Several Kg of sludge gathered there. Stinking stuff when disturbed and cleaned out and sent off to the compost bin.<br/><br/>In the commercial system we built using CHOP 2 methodology, we have 7 solids collection points which includes the common sump. It is the final station in the loops of water movement. A small collection of solids still reach the sump. Very little I have to say but there is still some there.<br/><br/>We have observed that there is better, although only marginal, collection of solids in the grow beds when using a timed system such as 15 minutes on and 45 minutes off. The water movement through the grow beds is much slower and therefore allows more time for the solids to precipitate. Everything is a trade off, because in a timed system the water remains in the FT unfiltered during the 45 minutes that there is no pumping going on, unless your system is big enough to employ a sequencing valve/s to distribute the water to numerous grow beds and therefore keep the water moving through the FT.</p>
<p>Then it is back to small home systems where auto siphons in a CHOP 2 system actually give excellent results without any complications except the need to give the sump a clean every once-in-a-while. <br/>Murray</p>
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<blockquote><div><p>Murray, do you still get a small pile of poo in the center of your sump?? While my system is not exactly chop2 ( the overflow currently just goes back in sump) it is very close. I never get a build up in the fish tank, just in the sump.</p>
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<p>I don't see it as a problem, I scoop it and put it in the worm bin when I feed the fish. Just curious if you get this get this too, and if not how you cured the issue. </p>
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I've ordered your v…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-31:4778851:Comment:800112011-03-31T13:47:12.096ZMary Hundleyhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/MaryHundley
<p>Murray,</p>
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<p>I've ordered your videos, and perhaps it is covered in those, but in the response below, you state that you have 7 solids collection points, in addition to the sump. Since I am setting up a commercial operation, how are these collection points integrated into the CHOP 2? Is there a place where I can obtain a plumbing diagram? Thanks again for all your help.</p>
<p>(-: Mary <br></br><br></br><cite>Murray Hallam said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><p>Hi Richard,<br></br>Yes,…</p>
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<p>Murray,</p>
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<p>I've ordered your videos, and perhaps it is covered in those, but in the response below, you state that you have 7 solids collection points, in addition to the sump. Since I am setting up a commercial operation, how are these collection points integrated into the CHOP 2? Is there a place where I can obtain a plumbing diagram? Thanks again for all your help.</p>
<p>(-: Mary <br/><br/><cite>Murray Hallam said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><p>Hi Richard,<br/>Yes, solids do settle out in the sump but the FT is clean. The grow beds do not catch all of the very fine suspended solids. We have one system running on CHOP 1 (CHIFTPIST if you like). After the water has gone through the grow beds and dropped into the sump/s there is solid matter gathered in the sump/s. Then the water, on it's way back to the FT is split in two. Half goes via a settling trough the other half direct to the FT. <br/><br/>It is amazing how much material is accumulated in the settling trough. We left it accumulate for 12 months just to see what happened. Several Kg of sludge gathered there. Stinking stuff when disturbed and cleaned out and sent off to the compost bin.<br/><br/>In the commercial system we built using CHOP 2 methodology, we have 7 solids collection points which includes the common sump. It is the final station in the loops of water movement. A small collection of solids still reach the sump. Very little I have to say but there is still some there.<br/><br/>We have observed that there is better, although only marginal, collection of solids in the grow beds when using a timed system such as 15 minutes on and 45 minutes off. The water movement through the grow beds is much slower and therefore allows more time for the solids to precipitate. Everything is a trade off, because in a timed system the water remains in the FT unfiltered during the 45 minutes that there is no pumping going on, unless your system is big enough to employ a sequencing valve/s to distribute the water to numerous grow beds and therefore keep the water moving through the FT.</p>
<p>Then it is back to small home systems where auto siphons in a CHOP 2 system actually give excellent results without any complications except the need to give the sump a clean every once-in-a-while. <br/>Murray</p>
<p><br/><cite>Richard Wyman said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><p>Murray, do you still get a small pile of poo in the center of your sump?? While my system is not exactly chop2 ( the overflow currently just goes back in sump) it is very close. I never get a build up in the fish tank, just in the sump.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I don't see it as a problem, I scoop it and put it in the worm bin when I feed the fish. Just curious if you get this get this too, and if not how you cured the issue. </p>
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</blockquote> Thanks Murray. tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-30:4778851:Comment:793122011-03-30T20:16:29.580ZRichard Wymanhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RichardWyman
Thanks Murray.<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/> <br/></a>
Thanks Murray.<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/> <br/></a> Hi Richard,Yes, solids do set…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-30:4778851:Comment:793082011-03-30T19:30:08.364ZMurray Hallamhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/MurrayHallam
<p>Hi Richard,<br></br>Yes, solids do settle out in the sump but the FT is clean. The grow beds do not catch all of the very fine suspended solids. We have one system running on CHOP 1 (CHIFTPIST if you like). After the water has gone through the grow beds and dropped into the sump/s there is solid matter gathered in the sump/s. Then the water, on it's way back to the FT is split in two. Half goes via a settling trough the other half direct to the FT. <br></br><br></br>It is amazing how much material is…</p>
<p>Hi Richard,<br/>Yes, solids do settle out in the sump but the FT is clean. The grow beds do not catch all of the very fine suspended solids. We have one system running on CHOP 1 (CHIFTPIST if you like). After the water has gone through the grow beds and dropped into the sump/s there is solid matter gathered in the sump/s. Then the water, on it's way back to the FT is split in two. Half goes via a settling trough the other half direct to the FT. <br/><br/>It is amazing how much material is accumulated in the settling trough. We left it accumulate for 12 months just to see what happened. Several Kg of sludge gathered there. Stinking stuff when disturbed and cleaned out and sent off to the compost bin.<br/><br/>In the commercial system we built using CHOP 2 methodology, we have 7 solids collection points which includes the common sump. It is the final station in the loops of water movement. A small collection of solids still reach the sump. Very little I have to say but there is still some there.<br/><br/>We have observed that there is better, although only marginal, collection of solids in the grow beds when using a timed system such as 15 minutes on and 45 minutes off. The water movement through the grow beds is much slower and therefore allows more time for the solids to precipitate. Everything is a trade off, because in a timed system the water remains in the FT unfiltered during the 45 minutes that there is no pumping going on, unless your system is big enough to employ a sequencing valve/s to distribute the water to numerous grow beds and therefore keep the water moving through the FT.</p>
<p>Then it is back to small home systems where auto siphons in a CHOP 2 system actually give excellent results without any complications except the need to give the sump a clean every once-in-a-while. <br/>Murray</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Richard Wyman said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/chop-1-or-chop-mark-2-system?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A79250&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment79134"><div><p>Murray, do you still get a small pile of poo in the center of your sump?? While my system is not exactly chop2 ( the overflow currently just goes back in sump) it is very close. I never get a build up in the fish tank, just in the sump.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I don't see it as a problem, I scoop it and put it in the worm bin when I feed the fish. Just curious if you get this get this too, and if not how you cured the issue. </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
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</blockquote> I see the CHOP 2 design as a…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-30:4778851:Comment:792502011-03-30T17:00:35.386ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
I see the CHOP 2 design as a sort of sump is a settling tank sort of method so if the system is such that you need to settle out a small amount of solids to be scooped or sucked out on occasion it should work nicely for that.
I see the CHOP 2 design as a sort of sump is a settling tank sort of method so if the system is such that you need to settle out a small amount of solids to be scooped or sucked out on occasion it should work nicely for that.