Chelated Iron Dosing - Is there such a thing as a preventive dosing? - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T15:25:34Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/chelated-iron-dosing-is-there-such-a-thing-as-a-preventive-dosing?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A294929&feed=yes&xn_auth=noCool find Bob! Thanks a bunch…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-05-12:4778851:Comment:4744512013-05-12T10:16:20.005ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>Cool find Bob! Thanks a bunch...</p>
<p>Cool find Bob! Thanks a bunch...</p> I found this and thought you…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-05-11:4778851:Comment:4745272013-05-11T22:08:22.436ZBob Campbellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BobCampbell
<p>I found this and thought you might be interested in the process of extracting DTPA.</p>
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<p><a class="gs-title" dir="ltr" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.clemson.edu/sera6/DTPA%2520extraction%2520from%2520micronutrients.doc&sa=U&ei=-rSOUfilJ8KjrgGl-IGgDQ&ved=0CAcQFjAA&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNEeEmixSZkHDMTjg3Z-KML9AkJywA" target="_top"><b>DTPA</b> Extraction for Micronutrients</a></p>
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<p>This university site is full of interesting…</p>
<p>I found this and thought you might be interested in the process of extracting DTPA.</p>
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<p><a dir="ltr" target="_top" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.clemson.edu/sera6/DTPA%2520extraction%2520from%2520micronutrients.doc&sa=U&ei=-rSOUfilJ8KjrgGl-IGgDQ&ved=0CAcQFjAA&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNEeEmixSZkHDMTjg3Z-KML9AkJywA" class="gs-title"><b>DTPA</b> Extraction for Micronutrients</a></p>
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<p>This university site is full of interesting research. Go to <a href="http://www.clemson.edu/search/index.htm" target="_blank">http://www.clemson.edu/search/index.htm</a> and enter words like 'micronutrient' or DTPA. </p> TC & Vlad,
I'm not sure…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-10-21:4778851:Comment:4098662012-10-21T20:34:26.339ZJesse Hullhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JesseHull
<p>TC & Vlad, </p>
<p>I'm not sure what it would take. I learned in a survival skills course years back that if you want to sterilize water, fill non-UV-resistant glass jars (e.g., mason jars) and put then in the open sun for a few days.</p>
<p>If you soaked the butts in water to make a 'tea', then strained it so that all you were left with was water, and then did the above sun sterilizing method, I wonder if it would this be enough to kill TMV.</p>
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<p>We grew <em>Nicotiana…</em></p>
<p>TC & Vlad, </p>
<p>I'm not sure what it would take. I learned in a survival skills course years back that if you want to sterilize water, fill non-UV-resistant glass jars (e.g., mason jars) and put then in the open sun for a few days.</p>
<p>If you soaked the butts in water to make a 'tea', then strained it so that all you were left with was water, and then did the above sun sterilizing method, I wonder if it would this be enough to kill TMV.</p>
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<p>We grew <em>Nicotiana persica</em> under artificial lights 5 years back specifically to use as a pesticide. If you treated the seeds, I would assume that you would have no issues, and the dried matter would last for many seasons if stored properly.</p>
<p><em>Nicotiana persica</em> is a powerfully potent plant, not like the 'schwag' tobacco grown by Phillip Morris and the like.</p>
<p>So the nicotine content is really high, which I was reminded of when I absent-mindedly did some routine clipping and maintenance on the crop. I wore gloves because it was so sticky, but It went right through the skin on my wrists. I was buzzing like crazy within several minutes -ended up restocking three days worth of the store's inventory in a single afternoon, and then crashed hard. </p>
<p>I don't smoke tobacco, but my co-worker did. It was really harsh, but he cut it with standard shelf tobacco and claimed it was the "best smoke ever". <img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif" width="18" height="18"/></p>
<p>Oh, and yes -the spray we made did a real number on any insects unfortunate enough to be tested on.</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/chelated-iron-dosing-is-there-such-a-thing-as-a-preventive-dosing?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A286017&page=8#4778851Comment409946"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>There are many .edu sites that suggest boiling your tools for 5 minutes as a protective measure and so forth (soapy water/detergents), while industry uses acid extractions and tri-sodium phosphate to treat seeds against TMV.</p>
<p>Boiling the butts may very well work, but until I come across something a little more concrete, I'm not gonna risk it. Again, I'm not saying it doesn't work...just that it freaks me out a bit because I don't have any solid info on the matter myself...</p>
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</blockquote> There are many .edu sites tha…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-10-21:4778851:Comment:4099462012-10-21T12:38:07.523ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>There are many .edu sites that suggest boiling your tools for 5 minutes as a protective measure and so forth (soapy water/detergents), while industry uses acid extractions and tri-sodium phosphate to treat seeds against TMV.</p>
<p>Boiling the butts may very well work, but until I come across something a little more concrete, I'm not gonna risk it. Again, I'm not saying it doesn't work...just that it freaks me out a bit because I don't have any solid info on the matter myself...</p>
<p>There are many .edu sites that suggest boiling your tools for 5 minutes as a protective measure and so forth (soapy water/detergents), while industry uses acid extractions and tri-sodium phosphate to treat seeds against TMV.</p>
<p>Boiling the butts may very well work, but until I come across something a little more concrete, I'm not gonna risk it. Again, I'm not saying it doesn't work...just that it freaks me out a bit because I don't have any solid info on the matter myself...</p> I've heard some people recomm…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-10-21:4778851:Comment:4098322012-10-21T12:18:59.848ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>I've heard some people recommend boiling the buts to kill off the diseases. Any ideas if that would protect plants against TMV or if it's still just risky business?</p>
<p>I've heard some people recommend boiling the buts to kill off the diseases. Any ideas if that would protect plants against TMV or if it's still just risky business?</p> Thanks Jesse, this past sprin…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-10-21:4778851:Comment:4099402012-10-21T05:55:30.111ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p>Thanks Jesse, this past spring after using a tobacco brew on some of my Quince trees and a few plants, and then reading up on TMV...I decided that it wasn't worth the risk. Even though it seems like I got lucky that time, it isn't something that I would do again.</p>
<p>It did have the effect of getting rid of the pests I was after, but the whole TMV thing freaks me out too much.</p>
<p>Thanks Jesse, this past spring after using a tobacco brew on some of my Quince trees and a few plants, and then reading up on TMV...I decided that it wasn't worth the risk. Even though it seems like I got lucky that time, it isn't something that I would do again.</p>
<p>It did have the effect of getting rid of the pests I was after, but the whole TMV thing freaks me out too much.</p> Nowadays, Tobacco Mosaic Viru…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-10-21:4778851:Comment:4098222012-10-21T01:27:55.703ZJesse Hullhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JesseHull
<p>Nowadays, Tobacco Mosaic Virus is a much worse threat than pests. </p>
<p>Research what it takes to get rid of TMV.</p>
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<p><br></br> <cite>Vlad Jovanovic said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/chelated-iron-dosing-is-there-such-a-thing-as-a-preventive-dosing?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A286017&page=5#4778851Comment292226"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Old timers here used to save their hand rolled buts for the…</p>
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<p>Nowadays, Tobacco Mosaic Virus is a much worse threat than pests. </p>
<p>Research what it takes to get rid of TMV.</p>
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<p><br/> <cite>Vlad Jovanovic said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/chelated-iron-dosing-is-there-such-a-thing-as-a-preventive-dosing?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A286017&page=5#4778851Comment292226"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Old timers here used to save their hand rolled buts for the same reasons. Had no idea it would work on mites and aphids though. Very very cool. (unless its the just all the pesticides that they sprayed the tobacco with working hehe...kidding)<br/> <br/> <cite>Chip Pilkington said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/chelated-iron-dosing-is-there-such-a-thing-as-a-preventive-dosing?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A286017&page=4#4778851Comment292318"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>It worked well with no adverse effects. I would imagine it would be rediculously expensive to use in the States or Australia.</p>
<p>The concept is sound - the smell and taste of tobacco would certainly discourage me... </p>
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what do you use to…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-09:4778851:Comment:3904962012-09-09T21:53:44.941ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Jesse,</p>
<p> what do you use to test the iron levels in the water? Are there any other nutrient tests you use in your operation?</p>
<p>Jesse,</p>
<p> what do you use to test the iron levels in the water? Are there any other nutrient tests you use in your operation?</p> I'm not sure I'd use the word…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-09:4778851:Comment:3905762012-09-09T20:26:17.405ZJesse Hullhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JesseHull
<p>I'm not sure I'd use the word "preventative", but I do <em>maintain</em> my water at 1-3ppm of iron depending on the crop by testing the water once a week. When using chelated iron, I prefer the EDDHA. As a former hydroponics grower, I prefer to maintain the nutrients rather than wait for a deficiency to show up. </p>
<p>Days, and even weeks worth of growth potential are lost by the time you can see a deficiency in the leaves.</p>
<p>I'm not sure I'd use the word "preventative", but I do <em>maintain</em> my water at 1-3ppm of iron depending on the crop by testing the water once a week. When using chelated iron, I prefer the EDDHA. As a former hydroponics grower, I prefer to maintain the nutrients rather than wait for a deficiency to show up. </p>
<p>Days, and even weeks worth of growth potential are lost by the time you can see a deficiency in the leaves.</p> The rebar won't help, and pos…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-09:4778851:Comment:3906492012-09-09T18:03:47.371ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
The rebar won't help, and possibly hurt, unless it's in the anaerobic zone. So either get it to the bottom where muck builds, or add a specific device for anaerobic production of ferrous iron after FT, and immediately before GB, or even in the GB.
The rebar won't help, and possibly hurt, unless it's in the anaerobic zone. So either get it to the bottom where muck builds, or add a specific device for anaerobic production of ferrous iron after FT, and immediately before GB, or even in the GB.