Bell Siphon Problem - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T12:03:23Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/bell-siphon-problem?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A463755&feed=yes&xn_auth=noi dunno rob.. i set up 4 grow…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-08-12:4778851:Comment:5038532013-08-12T14:25:04.981ZKeith Rowanhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/KeithRowan
<p>i dunno rob.. i set up 4 growbeds with bell siphons.. had problems with one of them, and it turned out to be a leak inside the assembly.. after i fixed it, all 4 have run without a problem for 18+ months, i've removed the reducer on 2 of them to lower the flood height, and they still perform flawlessly..</p>
<p>but if you don't like them.. remember that you may need a larger pump if you put your system on a timer</p>
<p>i've read (but not experienced!) that the powering off and on of a pump…</p>
<p>i dunno rob.. i set up 4 growbeds with bell siphons.. had problems with one of them, and it turned out to be a leak inside the assembly.. after i fixed it, all 4 have run without a problem for 18+ months, i've removed the reducer on 2 of them to lower the flood height, and they still perform flawlessly..</p>
<p>but if you don't like them.. remember that you may need a larger pump if you put your system on a timer</p>
<p>i've read (but not experienced!) that the powering off and on of a pump will shorten it's life, but my only experience in power cycling shortening equipment life is with computers, where it does happen</p>
<p>one thing to try is to increase the slots in your media guard</p> Yes indeed the timers are the…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-08-12:4778851:Comment:5037612013-08-12T14:13:49.431Zweshttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/wes
<p>Yes indeed the timers are the way to go, esp if you have battery backup. As for your siphon issue, try this make the pipe almost level or just a tad up hill. I couldn’t see what was on the end of your pipe as it goes into the sump. But I have found putting a 90 on the end and angle it over to about the 2:00 position that the siphon will work.</p>
<p>Yes indeed the timers are the way to go, esp if you have battery backup. As for your siphon issue, try this make the pipe almost level or just a tad up hill. I couldn’t see what was on the end of your pipe as it goes into the sump. But I have found putting a 90 on the end and angle it over to about the 2:00 position that the siphon will work.</p> Trust me when I say...Bell si…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-08-12:4778851:Comment:5039322013-08-12T11:24:23.504ZRob Nashhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RobNash
<p>Trust me when I say...Bell siphons are out of here!</p>
<p>..really, they are for folks who don't have access to a timer. I have built and perfected every size bell siphon there is, and they will be the Achilles heel of your system for ever. the problem is the water flow will constantly change...old media, large plant roots, clean gravel, replaced plants, lines are clogged, pump is clogged, etc. ..all will cause a siphon to hang.</p>
<p>and then to make things even worse, they tend to drain…</p>
<p>Trust me when I say...Bell siphons are out of here!</p>
<p>..really, they are for folks who don't have access to a timer. I have built and perfected every size bell siphon there is, and they will be the Achilles heel of your system for ever. the problem is the water flow will constantly change...old media, large plant roots, clean gravel, replaced plants, lines are clogged, pump is clogged, etc. ..all will cause a siphon to hang.</p>
<p>and then to make things even worse, they tend to drain one end of the bed and not the other.</p>
<p>go to a timer and perforated stand pipe.</p>
<p>pull the bell off, and through it away, drill four 1/4" holes in the bottom of your standpipe, and set your timer and go have a beer.</p>
<p>if you still want to make your siphon work.. its all about the drain lines.. they must have a way for air to escape.. don't glue the pipe to the grow beds.. I have a four inch pipe for mine to drain into like a bucket. but 4" pipe is expensive.. buy a timer.</p>
<p>and get a good one, not a 15 minute lamp timer.</p> i can tell u.....plz ....the…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-08-12:4778851:Comment:5036602013-08-12T00:58:57.812Zgamal hamadahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/gamalhamada88
<p> i can tell u.....plz ....the prb in the cover to bell sephon...then get that cover and make many tat.....more from the .Perforate.waid it to that limmet not just ablet to the graft inter it ..then it will good work as shot ..good luck......don.t 4get tell my...r thta right or not....hahahahah...i win</p>
<p> i can tell u.....plz ....the prb in the cover to bell sephon...then get that cover and make many tat.....more from the .Perforate.waid it to that limmet not just ablet to the graft inter it ..then it will good work as shot ..good luck......don.t 4get tell my...r thta right or not....hahahahah...i win</p> Maybe you could install a T v…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-07-08:4778851:Comment:4915352013-07-08T21:05:21.480ZRichard Winkelhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RichardWinkel
<p>Maybe you could install a T vented to the outside close to the GB. This would make it easier for air to enter. You might have to put a vertical piece of pipe of some length into the T.</p>
<p>Maybe you could install a T vented to the outside close to the GB. This would make it easier for air to enter. You might have to put a vertical piece of pipe of some length into the T.</p> i have had similar situation,…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-07-05:4778851:Comment:4906242013-07-05T04:00:12.372Zboats4906https://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/boats4906
<p>i have had similar situation,,, what i did to correct the issue was to have the drain pipe drain into a 4 in pvc sewage pipe without connecting to the siphon pipe ,, being your pipes are connected to each other one is disturbing the others siphon process ,, have them drain into a pipe like your faucet draining into a sink and all will be good.</p>
<p>i have had similar situation,,, what i did to correct the issue was to have the drain pipe drain into a 4 in pvc sewage pipe without connecting to the siphon pipe ,, being your pipes are connected to each other one is disturbing the others siphon process ,, have them drain into a pipe like your faucet draining into a sink and all will be good.</p> Hi Dan,
Off subject: Why do s…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-04-17:4778851:Comment:4637552013-04-17T03:39:20.381ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
<p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Off subject: Why do some of you say moderator below your picture?</strong></span></p>
<p>Really means helpers on the site<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></a></p>
<p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Off subject: Why do some of you say moderator below your picture?</strong></span></p>
<p>Really means helpers on the site<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></a></p> I'll give it a try and let yo…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-04-17:4778851:Comment:4636002013-04-17T03:19:38.688ZDan Liederhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DanLieder
<p>I'll give it a try and let you know. Thanks for the tips. </p>
<p>Off subject: Why do some of you say moderator below your picture?</p>
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Harold Sukhbir said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/bell-siphon-problem?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A463851&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment463851"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>I think it could work, there aren't any guarantees…</p>
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<p>I'll give it a try and let you know. Thanks for the tips. </p>
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<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Harold Sukhbir said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/bell-siphon-problem?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A463851&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment463851"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>I think it could work, there aren't any guarantees <a rel="nofollow" style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/></a> The weight of and the suction caused by the exiting water is necessary to pull the air up into the bell and cause a break. There is something simpler that you can try. You can place a sleeve(insert from a piece of garden hose or similar) into the 1" standpipe, near the base of the GB. I've done the same, but i placed the internal sleeve(piece of snug fitting pipe) at the same point where your 1" pipe meets the 2" pipe and it worked. The downside is that it needs keeping an eye on as it starts to clog up about every couple of months and has to be removed and cleaned.</p>
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I think it could work…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-04-17:4778851:Comment:4638512013-04-17T03:06:17.788ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
<p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>I think it could work, there aren't any guarantees <a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"></img></a> The weight of and the suction caused by the exiting water is necessary to pull the air up into the bell and cause a break. There is something simpler that you can try. You can place a sleeve(insert from a piece of garden hose or similar) into the 1" standpipe, near the base of the GB. I've done the same, but i placed the internal sleeve(piece of snug fitting pipe) at the same point…</p>
<p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>I think it could work, there aren't any guarantees <a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/></a> The weight of and the suction caused by the exiting water is necessary to pull the air up into the bell and cause a break. There is something simpler that you can try. You can place a sleeve(insert from a piece of garden hose or similar) into the 1" standpipe, near the base of the GB. I've done the same, but i placed the internal sleeve(piece of snug fitting pipe) at the same point where your 1" pipe meets the 2" pipe and it worked. The downside is that it needs keeping an eye on as it starts to clog up about every couple of months and has to be removed and cleaned.</p> Yes I can do that. Do you thi…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-04-17:4778851:Comment:4637462013-04-17T01:32:08.025ZDan Liederhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DanLieder
<p>Yes I can do that. Do you think that will work? <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Harold Sukhbir said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/bell-siphon-problem?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A463581&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment463581"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>Can you remove the 2" reducer, all the parts with the 2' bends, and then approximately 12" of the 2" pipe running horizontally to the sump(FT?) and replace it all…</p>
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<p>Yes I can do that. Do you think that will work? <br/> <br/> <cite>Harold Sukhbir said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/bell-siphon-problem?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A463581&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment463581"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>Can you remove the 2" reducer, all the parts with the 2' bends, and then approximately 12" of the 2" pipe running horizontally to the sump(FT?) and replace it all with 1" pipe? So you'll have 1" pipe exiting the GB, bending and then running horizontally for about 1 ft before it enters the 2" line.</p>
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