Bell Siphon Problem. HELP!! - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T11:28:43Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/bell-siphon-problem-help?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A547506&feed=yes&xn_auth=noJames I had the same problem…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-03-14:4778851:Comment:5529992014-03-14T06:06:24.377ZCArol Sheridanhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/CArolSheridan
<p>James I had the same problem.After playing around and doing several things this is what helped the most. I was using a 1 inch drain pipe and on the top I reduced it to a 3/4 inch . It is working a lot better</p>
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<p>James I had the same problem.After playing around and doing several things this is what helped the most. I was using a 1 inch drain pipe and on the top I reduced it to a 3/4 inch . It is working a lot better</p>
<p></p> We are all happy to help Jame…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-16:4778851:Comment:5484322014-02-16T15:31:57.045ZJim Fiskhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimFisk
<p>We are all happy to help James. Amazing how a a little tweak can make such a difference. There is a bit of Voodoo to it. Great thread. Twas fun and just think how many others will be helped by it.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>james davis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/bell-siphon-problem-help?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A548270&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment548270"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I Found after reading some of…</p>
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<p>We are all happy to help James. Amazing how a a little tweak can make such a difference. There is a bit of Voodoo to it. Great thread. Twas fun and just think how many others will be helped by it.<br/> <br/> <cite>james davis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/bell-siphon-problem-help?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A548270&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment548270"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I Found after reading some of your replies that my problem was that I had a male and female electrical fitting on the bottom of my grow bed and the bottom of my grow bed just has the female fitting with water pouring out. I added a 3 inch tube to the bottom of my grow bed and it started siphoning by its self. I am now looking at building a new system and am considering all of your comments. thank you all.</p>
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</blockquote> I Found after reading some of…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-16:4778851:Comment:5482702014-02-16T06:38:25.658Zjames davishttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/jamesdavis
<p>I Found after reading some of your replies that my problem was that I had a male and female electrical fitting on the bottom of my grow bed and the bottom of my grow bed just has the female fitting with water pouring out. I added a 3 inch tube to the bottom of my grow bed and it started siphoning by its self. I am now looking at building a new system and am considering all of your comments. thank you all.</p>
<p>I Found after reading some of your replies that my problem was that I had a male and female electrical fitting on the bottom of my grow bed and the bottom of my grow bed just has the female fitting with water pouring out. I added a 3 inch tube to the bottom of my grow bed and it started siphoning by its self. I am now looking at building a new system and am considering all of your comments. thank you all.</p> wow you guys are awesome. I c…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-16:4778851:Comment:5481772014-02-16T06:29:42.332Zjames davishttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/jamesdavis
<p>wow you guys are awesome. I couldn't have asked for more info from just one question thanks to all for the help.</p>
<p>wow you guys are awesome. I couldn't have asked for more info from just one question thanks to all for the help.</p> Yup Jim, the 90's do slow do…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-15:4778851:Comment:5481402014-02-15T22:17:33.636ZJim Fiskhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimFisk
<p>Yup Jim, the 90's do slow down the flow just enough to fill the tube and voila it starts. Mine work fine with one but if someone's flow is really slow a 2nd one always does the trick so I started including 2 just in case. So now I go thru twice as many 90's. Oh well. I see some use a "trap" under there but I find the siphon will "break" much quicker, as it should, if air can come from both directions, under the bell and back up the tube, so a trap can cause trouble and sediment collected in…</p>
<p>Yup Jim, the 90's do slow down the flow just enough to fill the tube and voila it starts. Mine work fine with one but if someone's flow is really slow a 2nd one always does the trick so I started including 2 just in case. So now I go thru twice as many 90's. Oh well. I see some use a "trap" under there but I find the siphon will "break" much quicker, as it should, if air can come from both directions, under the bell and back up the tube, so a trap can cause trouble and sediment collected in the trap over time can change the "tune" eventually.<br/> <br/> <cite>Jim Kamen said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/bell-siphon-problem-help?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A548249&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment547871"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>OK, I'll chime in now. I have had the same problem as James along with a host of other learning problems. I did have to play with the design just a little and my siphon's are all working just fine. I am not sure just what I did to make them work, but I don't really care. As was stated earlier, most of us just want the fix, not the physics. I do think adding some length and elbows to the drain helped a lot.</p>
<p>Another thing I found was that the outer pipe is slightly smaller in diameter and does not fit over the bulkhead fitting completely.</p>
<p>I have six siphons working off one pump. I used some old grow boxes as my bed. Yes I do loose some space but it was the least expensive way to start.</p>
<p>Now, if my Talapia would only get here.</p>
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</blockquote> Well, we use mastercam, so pr…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-15:4778851:Comment:5482492014-02-15T18:03:17.325ZAlex Veidelhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/AlexVeidel
<p>Well, we use mastercam, so programming really doesn't take much time. I don't think running them out completely on a cnc would be the best way to go, but taking 15 min. or so to sketch out a run for machining the slots in the media guards and/or the teeth on the bell siphons could get things running pretty fast and give them a nice finish. Nothing you couldn't do by hand of course, but the machines work with accuracy to .0005in. if you're good, so they could be could useful for developing…</p>
<p>Well, we use mastercam, so programming really doesn't take much time. I don't think running them out completely on a cnc would be the best way to go, but taking 15 min. or so to sketch out a run for machining the slots in the media guards and/or the teeth on the bell siphons could get things running pretty fast and give them a nice finish. Nothing you couldn't do by hand of course, but the machines work with accuracy to .0005in. if you're good, so they could be could useful for developing other parts as well. Now if my dad's shop had a machine with a fifth-axis, then we could really be doin' some crazy stuff :)</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Jim Fisk said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/bell-siphon-problem-help?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A546858&page=3#4778851Comment548225"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Alex, it depends on the item you are making and the profit potential. Reminds me of the Paul Bunyon tale. I will go head to head with your machines against my set up any time. Would be fun. I'd be curious. And what are your set up costs for programming, etc. Get my drift? When I was in the carved sign business on Cape Cod for 10 years everyone assumed I had some big carving machine, spent big bucks buying one to compete with me and not only did their signs look machine made (read crappy) but took way longer than my grass roots hand layout (with kerning that their machines could not do) and hand held router and I outlasted and out sold them all and sold the business to boot.Just say'n.</p>
<p>Rob, we still can post pics. Your PC might have been having a bad day. I know mine is so I am back on my old trusty Macbook Pro. Alex Veidel above. That was for him. It all gets so confusing on here sometimes especially when you are as busy as you are<a rel="nofollow" style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></a><br/> <br/> <cite>Alex Veidel said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/bell-siphon-problem-help?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A547980&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment547980"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Lol, no worries. It wasn't really a major thought, just a fleeting one. I'm not into the whole get rich quick mentality, but selling bell siphons wouldn't really be a high risk investment, since they're pretty inexpensive to make. Good potential income supplement, especially with ebay and the rising tide of aquaponics.<br/> I just spit out ideas from time to time.<br/> <br/> And if fancy machines didn't help production move faster, then I wouldn't really have a job running them, now would I? lol ;)</div>
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</blockquote> I inboxed you a message bro'.…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-15:4778851:Comment:5480642014-02-15T17:57:02.139ZAlex Veidelhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/AlexVeidel
<p>I inboxed you a message bro'...I don't know what's up; I've still got my tabs. Are you using PC, Mac, mobile device...?</p>
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<p>If your computer is yelling at you for not updating your plugins or offering a new version of javascript or something when you visit this website, that could be a problem too. I don't really have any background on programming or anything.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Rob Nash said:…</cite></p>
<p>I inboxed you a message bro'...I don't know what's up; I've still got my tabs. Are you using PC, Mac, mobile device...?</p>
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<p>If your computer is yelling at you for not updating your plugins or offering a new version of javascript or something when you visit this website, that could be a problem too. I don't really have any background on programming or anything.<br/> <br/> <cite>Rob Nash said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/bell-siphon-problem-help?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A546858&page=3#4778851Comment547991"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">thanks Jim... I think the idea of the drain in the center and the water coming from both ends would solve the drainage issue on large beds.<br/> <br/> I would post some pics of the new builds, but the site wont let us add pics to a reply anymore...<br/> im on a pc and don't see any of the options above this reply box... no smiley faces, no pics, no font tweaks, etc.... ?Alex?!</div>
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</blockquote> Alex, it depends on the item…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-15:4778851:Comment:5482252014-02-15T16:57:55.872ZJim Fiskhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JimFisk
<p>Alex, it depends on the item you are making and the profit potential. Reminds me of the Paul Bunyon tale. I will go head to head with your machines against my set up any time. Would be fun. I'd be curious. And what are your set up costs for programming, etc. Get my drift? When I was in the carved sign business on Cape Cod for 10 years everyone assumed I had some big carving machine, spent big bucks buying one to compete with me and not only did their signs look machine made (read crappy) but…</p>
<p>Alex, it depends on the item you are making and the profit potential. Reminds me of the Paul Bunyon tale. I will go head to head with your machines against my set up any time. Would be fun. I'd be curious. And what are your set up costs for programming, etc. Get my drift? When I was in the carved sign business on Cape Cod for 10 years everyone assumed I had some big carving machine, spent big bucks buying one to compete with me and not only did their signs look machine made (read crappy) but took way longer than my grass roots hand layout (with kerning that their machines could not do) and hand held router and I outlasted and out sold them all and sold the business to boot.Just say'n.</p>
<p>Rob, we still can post pics. Your PC might have been having a bad day. I know mine is so I am back on my old trusty Macbook Pro. Alex Veidel above. That was for him. It all gets so confusing on here sometimes especially when you are as busy as you are<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></a><br/> <br/> <cite>Alex Veidel said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/bell-siphon-problem-help?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A547980&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment547980"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Lol, no worries. It wasn't really a major thought, just a fleeting one. I'm not into the whole get rich quick mentality, but selling bell siphons wouldn't really be a high risk investment, since they're pretty inexpensive to make. Good potential income supplement, especially with ebay and the rising tide of aquaponics.<br/> I just spit out ideas from time to time.<br/> <br/> And if fancy machines didn't help production move faster, then I wouldn't really have a job running them, now would I? lol ;)</div>
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</blockquote> thanks Jim... I think the ide…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-15:4778851:Comment:5479912014-02-15T14:29:58.413ZRob Nashhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RobNash
thanks Jim... I think the idea of the drain in the center and the water coming from both ends would solve the drainage issue on large beds.<br />
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I would post some pics of the new builds, but the site wont let us add pics to a reply anymore...<br />
im on a pc and don't see any of the options above this reply box... no smiley faces, no pics, no font tweaks, etc.... ?Alex?!
thanks Jim... I think the idea of the drain in the center and the water coming from both ends would solve the drainage issue on large beds.<br />
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I would post some pics of the new builds, but the site wont let us add pics to a reply anymore...<br />
im on a pc and don't see any of the options above this reply box... no smiley faces, no pics, no font tweaks, etc.... ?Alex?! Lol, no worries. It wasn't re…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2014-02-15:4778851:Comment:5479802014-02-15T00:50:47.563ZAlex Veidelhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/AlexVeidel
Lol, no worries. It wasn't really a major thought, just a fleeting one. I'm not into the whole get rich quick mentality, but selling bell siphons wouldn't really be a high risk investment, since they're pretty inexpensive to make. Good potential income supplement, especially with ebay and the rising tide of aquaponics.<br />
I just spit out ideas from time to time.<br />
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And if fancy machines didn't help production move faster, then I wouldn't really have a job running them, now would I? lol ;)
Lol, no worries. It wasn't really a major thought, just a fleeting one. I'm not into the whole get rich quick mentality, but selling bell siphons wouldn't really be a high risk investment, since they're pretty inexpensive to make. Good potential income supplement, especially with ebay and the rising tide of aquaponics.<br />
I just spit out ideas from time to time.<br />
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And if fancy machines didn't help production move faster, then I wouldn't really have a job running them, now would I? lol ;)