Beginner Help?? - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T20:54:16Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/beginner-help?feed=yes&xn_auth=noRobin you have made me think…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-05-16:4778851:Comment:1110962011-05-16T01:44:26.701ZDavid Waitehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DavidWaite
Robin you have made me think as well. I have one experience that changed the way I looked at the world. I was serving in the navy and we made port in Hong Kong. This city was under british rule at the time. I headed on a tour and we went up on a hill to see the great nation of China. It was beautiful lush farm land at first glance. I noticed a massive fence 25 feet tall. I thought wow the Chinese really dont want anybody getting in there country. Good for them to be secure. Upon further…
Robin you have made me think as well. I have one experience that changed the way I looked at the world. I was serving in the navy and we made port in Hong Kong. This city was under british rule at the time. I headed on a tour and we went up on a hill to see the great nation of China. It was beautiful lush farm land at first glance. I noticed a massive fence 25 feet tall. I thought wow the Chinese really dont want anybody getting in there country. Good for them to be secure. Upon further examination I saw the top bobwire was actually facing in not out. It hit me like a ton of bricks. The Chinese were not fencing the enemies out they were fencing their own people in. Why? Just across that fence was a thriving capitalist society with plenty of food and industry. That did it for me. I saw this same thing in Germany and North Korea. Robin I hav a client who is an American gal teaching English in China. Her contract is for 2 years. The utter filth and poverty is mind blowing. There is no wildlife with in any chinese people or urban areas. They eat everything including salamanders. They sleep in berths that are 6 foot long and stacked 5 high in factory housing. They have to pay for these regardless if they have a home or not. There is no hot water at The residences only at the factories. All bathing and washing laudry is at the factory by hand. You will see a massive uprising within 10 years similar to the middle east. The Chinese are just tolerant and gentle people but they have had enough. So in teaching kids minds as you do. If you lean to the left just make sure you teach both sides. It will stimulate them and make you a better teacher as well. Take care D<br/>
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<cite>Robin said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/beginner-help?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A111073&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment111073"><div><p>David,</p>
<p>I am smiling at the project of finding a country for us to go eat lunch in.<img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/> What I am rejecting here is the sensibility that one economy is just and democratic, encourages competition and innovation and begins with a level playing-field, while the other is run by dictators, encourages innefficiancy and reliance on the state, and a state-imposed hierarchy. I have a hard time accepting something that I think is an over-simplified and false dichotomy which in this country, privileges the hegemony of our own economic system. I don't think capitalism is more 'real' because it is the system that has dominated our country since its colonial inception; there are plenty of examples of divergent economies world-wide and across history. Additionally, I question how well-off we are as a country. I like comparisons for examining our truths. The proverb you are referencing (give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach him how to fish and he'll eat forever) I believe is a Chinese Proverb, and so I offer a the example of China, with all its complexities, and at the bottom of the page, my sources for this conversation (The Economist- a somewhat centrist periodical, no?) I don't think these conversations belong to academians. I think they belong to readers and doers like you and I. Thank you for your compliments and for engaging with me, it makes for good Sunday morning reading and thinking.<img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/></p>
<p>R</p>
<p> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/display.cfm?id=478048">The Economist- China's Economy</a></p>
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I am smiling at the pr…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-05-15:4778851:Comment:1110732011-05-15T16:04:35.181ZRobinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Robin
<p>David,</p>
<p>I am smiling at the project of finding a country for us to go eat lunch in.<img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"></img> What I am rejecting here is the sensibility that one economy is just and democratic, encourages competition and innovation and begins with a level playing-field, while the other is run by dictators, encourages innefficiancy and reliance on the state, and a state-imposed hierarchy. I have a hard time accepting something that I think is an over-simplified and false dichotomy which in this…</p>
<p>David,</p>
<p>I am smiling at the project of finding a country for us to go eat lunch in.<img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/> What I am rejecting here is the sensibility that one economy is just and democratic, encourages competition and innovation and begins with a level playing-field, while the other is run by dictators, encourages innefficiancy and reliance on the state, and a state-imposed hierarchy. I have a hard time accepting something that I think is an over-simplified and false dichotomy which in this country, privileges the hegemony of our own economic system. I don't think capitalism is more 'real' because it is the system that has dominated our country since its colonial inception; there are plenty of examples of divergent economies world-wide and across history. Additionally, I question how well-off we are as a country. I like comparisons for examining our truths. The proverb you are referencing (give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach him how to fish and he'll eat forever) I believe is a Chinese Proverb, and so I offer a the example of China, with all its complexities, and at the bottom of the page, my sources for this conversation (The Economist- a somewhat centrist periodical, no?) I don't think these conversations belong to academians. I think they belong to readers and doers like you and I. Thank you for your compliments and for engaging with me, it makes for good Sunday morning reading and thinking.<img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/></p>
<p>R</p>
<p> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/display.cfm?id=478048">The Economist- China's Economy</a></p> Robin lets examine what you s…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-05-15:4778851:Comment:1110572011-05-15T04:20:10.841ZDavid Waitehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DavidWaite
Robin lets examine what you said. You say capitalism which has brought this nation to the top of this world in standard of living and inovation is theory. Ok what is real then. Communism has failed every society and socialism or cradle to grave entitlements have bankrupted the rest. So maybe in academia capitalism is theory but to us who work it and employ people it is hardly theory. I agree with you that capitalism does not guarantee a fair end. Only a fair beginning. The second part of your…
Robin lets examine what you said. You say capitalism which has brought this nation to the top of this world in standard of living and inovation is theory. Ok what is real then. Communism has failed every society and socialism or cradle to grave entitlements have bankrupted the rest. So maybe in academia capitalism is theory but to us who work it and employ people it is hardly theory. I agree with you that capitalism does not guarantee a fair end. Only a fair beginning. The second part of your discussion that green energy technologies must serve the poor. It sounds great but how. Green energy is the most expensive energy on the planet and has drove Spains economy to the lowest standart of Europe so maybe that is where the theory comes in. Robin I never said you were a socialist only that Van Jones is a marxist. Teaching is by far the most noble of professions and I tip my hat to you for it. I think teaching the poor to raise fish and not beg for fish willempower them way more than anything else in life. Robin if you can show me or educate me which socialized country has created more wealth or freed more people from brutal dictators than this capitalist country I'll fly there and buy you lunch. Please dont personalize this it is just a different perspective on what self reliance is to me. Dear David,
Yes, Van Jones is…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-05-15:4778851:Comment:1110552011-05-15T02:29:32.319ZRobinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Robin
Dear David,<br />
Yes, Van Jones is an interesting fellow, isn't he: a Yale Law school graduate who chooses to live in Oakland, which is not exactly famous for affluence, or environmentalism. With all due respect David, it seems to me that capitalism is no less a theory, and not any more successful than socialism in producing an economy which is stable, let alone equitable. Additionally, while I would not declare myself a socialist, I would argue that innovations and green technologies which would…
Dear David,<br />
Yes, Van Jones is an interesting fellow, isn't he: a Yale Law school graduate who chooses to live in Oakland, which is not exactly famous for affluence, or environmentalism. With all due respect David, it seems to me that capitalism is no less a theory, and not any more successful than socialism in producing an economy which is stable, let alone equitable. Additionally, while I would not declare myself a socialist, I would argue that innovations and green technologies which would have a deep impact on our economy must first serve the poor. If aquaponics and other technologies are not being developed to function within, employ, and feed poor and working-class communities, than who are they being developed for, and to what ends? I share Cornel West's belief (a well-educated man I think) that social justice is not just a fancy word for socialism, but instead, what 'love looks like in public'.<br />
R Robin when you read Van Jones…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-05-11:4778851:Comment:1092212011-05-11T03:47:20.392ZDavid Waitehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/DavidWaite
Robin when you read Van Jones keep in mind his book is based entirely on theory. He also is a Marxist by his own words and looks at the green concept from a concept of everybody is equal or to put it bluntly poor. Aquaponics is more along the lines of being self reliant and self sufficient and dependent on nobody. Social Justice or a fancy word for socialism is failing in every part of Europe and we being the poorly educated we are want to bring it here. Just a thought.<br></br>
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<cite>Robin…</cite>
Robin when you read Van Jones keep in mind his book is based entirely on theory. He also is a Marxist by his own words and looks at the green concept from a concept of everybody is equal or to put it bluntly poor. Aquaponics is more along the lines of being self reliant and self sufficient and dependent on nobody. Social Justice or a fancy word for socialism is failing in every part of Europe and we being the poorly educated we are want to bring it here. Just a thought.<br/>
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<cite>Robin said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/beginner-help#4778851Comment108730"><div><p>also, there are two books I am about to read that looked good, called:</p>
<p>The Green Economy, Van Jones</p>
<p>Deep Economy, Bill McKibben</p>
<p>R</p>
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</blockquote> also, there are two books I a…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-05-11:4778851:Comment:1087302011-05-11T00:03:46.432ZRobinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Robin
<p>also, there are two books I am about to read that looked good, called:</p>
<p>The Green Economy, Van Jones</p>
<p>Deep Economy, Bill McKibben</p>
<p>R</p>
<p>also, there are two books I am about to read that looked good, called:</p>
<p>The Green Economy, Van Jones</p>
<p>Deep Economy, Bill McKibben</p>
<p>R</p> you might want to check out…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-05-10:4778851:Comment:1093022011-05-10T23:59:30.431ZRobinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Robin
<p> you might want to check out on youtube "kajiji grows" for a little nudge<img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/></p>
<p>I'm a high school teacher, and I think schools are a really important locale for social justice work, food justice, ecology, etc.</p>
<p>Good Luck, </p>
<p>Robin</p>
<p> you might want to check out on youtube "kajiji grows" for a little nudge<img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/></p>
<p>I'm a high school teacher, and I think schools are a really important locale for social justice work, food justice, ecology, etc.</p>
<p>Good Luck, </p>
<p>Robin</p> When I lived more in central…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-25:4778851:Comment:738372011-03-25T01:06:18.730ZJonathan Farrandhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonathanFarrand
When I lived more in central Maine I used to go quite often. Since I have lived in Southern Maine life is alot different and faster so haven't been for awhile. I have actively been networking with all types of people around this area.<br></br><br></br><cite>bleu grijalva said:</cite>
<blockquote><div><p>From our experience I have learned that you just have to begin doing it. In most cases starting at Town Hall will simply lead to hours of exploratory meetings which lead nowhere. By taking the helm…</p>
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When I lived more in central Maine I used to go quite often. Since I have lived in Southern Maine life is alot different and faster so haven't been for awhile. I have actively been networking with all types of people around this area.<br/><br/><cite>bleu grijalva said:</cite>
<blockquote><div><p>From our experience I have learned that you just have to begin doing it. In most cases starting at Town Hall will simply lead to hours of exploratory meetings which lead nowhere. By taking the helm and navigating as needed, your chances for success, I believe, are far greater. Eventually the Town Hall will listen. I see you're in Maine, do you do the Common Ground Fair?</p>
<p>It's our favorite.</p>
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</blockquote> Great advice!! It sounds lik…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-25:4778851:Comment:731522011-03-25T00:50:19.698ZJonathan Farrandhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonathanFarrand
Great advice!! It sounds like I am heading on the right path as you all know AP systems take time. A little reassurance helps sometimes. <strong>Thanks Guys!!</strong>
Great advice!! It sounds like I am heading on the right path as you all know AP systems take time. A little reassurance helps sometimes. <strong>Thanks Guys!!</strong> great advice, chi matag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-03-24:4778851:Comment:727012011-03-24T02:17:49.482Zbleu and em (New Urban Farmers)https://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/bleugrijalva
great advice, chi ma
great advice, chi ma