Be patient with water chemistry - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T21:55:07Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/be-patient-with-water?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A101877&feed=yes&xn_auth=noFASCINATINGtag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-05-05:4778851:Comment:1044962011-05-05T22:43:48.846ZIzzyhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/aquaponics
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FASCINATING Rupert,
I just read your arti…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-05-05:4778851:Comment:1052282011-05-05T22:09:53.755ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
<p>Rupert,</p>
<p>I just read your article and I'm now convinced. Nitrospira it is! thanks again for pointing that out.</p>
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<p><cite>RupertofOZ said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/be-patient-with-water?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A97438#4778851Comment97353"><div><p>Sylvia, you can download the original paper by Hovanec from here...…</p>
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<p>Rupert,</p>
<p>I just read your article and I'm now convinced. Nitrospira it is! thanks again for pointing that out.</p>
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<p><cite>RupertofOZ said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/be-patient-with-water?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A97438#4778851Comment97353"><div><p>Sylvia, you can download the original paper by Hovanec from here... <a rel="nofollow" href="http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/64/1/258">http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/64/1/258</a> ... or directly from... <a rel="nofollow" href="http://aem.asm.org/cgi/reprint/64/1/258">http://aem.asm.org/cgi/reprint/64/1/258</a></p>
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<p>There's also a list of references included in the article I wrote on the subject for BYAP mag #5.... email me if you want the whole article and list of references...</p>
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<p>Here's a couple of other references...</p>
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<p>A paper by Altmann... <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12919415?dopt=Abstract">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12919415?dopt=Abstract</a></p>
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<p>A paper by Daims ... <a rel="nofollow" href="http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/67/11/5273">http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/67/11/5273</a></p>
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<p>A paper by Kim DJ... <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15927463?dopt=Abstract">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15927463?dopt=Abstract</a></p>
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<p>And some other links... <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.microbial-ecology.net/googlesearch.asp?cx=012048876568113263489%3A2lg1qh_bbli&q=nitrospira&sa=Search+DOME&cof=FORID%3A11#907">http://www.microbial-ecology.net/googlesearch.asp?cx=01204887656811...</a></p>
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<p><br/><cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div>Re: Nitrospira vs Nitrobacter. Dr. Wilson Lennard actually corrected me on that when he reviewed parts of my book and said just the opposite...that they are Nitrobacter in AP systems. Are you sure? Good thing I'm in the process of a final review of the copy edits now! <img src="http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad93/ucsycybersmiley/43.gif"/> (I did that emoticon just for you, Harold!)</div>
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</blockquote> Actually, you are right on th…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-05-01:4778851:Comment:1018772011-05-01T08:38:26.906ZIzzyhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/aquaponics
Actually, you are right on the money!!! This is 100% true for the short term, but the long term effects will be specific to how the competing mechanisms come into play from specific strains of bacteria. You can't really know the mind of mother nature (or God for that matter)! LOL<br></br>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/be-patient-with-water?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A101902#4778851Comment101510"><div><p>Hi…</p>
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Actually, you are right on the money!!! This is 100% true for the short term, but the long term effects will be specific to how the competing mechanisms come into play from specific strains of bacteria. You can't really know the mind of mother nature (or God for that matter)! LOL<br/>
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<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/be-patient-with-water?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A101902#4778851Comment101510"><div><p>Hi Shawn,</p>
<p>Some researchers agree that Temperature, Localities, Water source etc.,and I'm sure even the types of fish feed and other inputs influence the predominant strains of Nitrifying bacteria present in AP systems and that they are always unique to various individual systems.Granted these studies are done for wastewater treatment, these results should be consistent with AP "sludge" as well. Since the science is evolving, all and any research would surely be welcomed.</p>
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Don't forget Nitrosococcus for those of us with brackish water!!! <br/>
Don't forget Nitrosococcus for those of us with brackish water!!! <br/> Hey Shawn, I'm in Boulder. Y…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-04-30:4778851:Comment:1016432011-04-30T19:42:52.732ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
Hey Shawn, I'm in Boulder. You are welcome to sample my sludge <img src="http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad93/ucsycybersmiley/3.gif"/>
Hey Shawn, I'm in Boulder. You are welcome to sample my sludge <img src="http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad93/ucsycybersmiley/3.gif"/> Hi Shawn,
Some researchers ag…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-04-30:4778851:Comment:1015102011-04-30T01:38:25.598ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
<p>Hi Shawn,</p>
<p>Some researchers agree that Temperature, Localities, Water source etc.,and I'm sure even the types of fish feed and other inputs influence the predominant strains of Nitrifying bacteria present in AP systems and that they are always unique to various individual systems.Granted these studies are done for wastewater treatment, these results should be consistent with AP "sludge" as well. Since the science is evolving, all and any research would surely be welcomed.</p>
<p>Hi Shawn,</p>
<p>Some researchers agree that Temperature, Localities, Water source etc.,and I'm sure even the types of fish feed and other inputs influence the predominant strains of Nitrifying bacteria present in AP systems and that they are always unique to various individual systems.Granted these studies are done for wastewater treatment, these results should be consistent with AP "sludge" as well. Since the science is evolving, all and any research would surely be welcomed.</p> Will you be seeding with any…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-04-30:4778851:Comment:1015092011-04-30T01:31:53.844ZKobus Joostehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/KobusJooste
<p>Will you be seeding with any cultures or just setting systems up, cycle and then test to see what cultures dominate? It would be really interesting to see these trials as they will likely also assist with HACCP classification of systems. Many labs can only ID roughly - ie. gram negative bacillus or something like that - getting down to finer detail will be a good piece of hard work I presume.</p>
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<p>Then potentially there will be new vs established and optimal vs. marginally…</p>
<p>Will you be seeding with any cultures or just setting systems up, cycle and then test to see what cultures dominate? It would be really interesting to see these trials as they will likely also assist with HACCP classification of systems. Many labs can only ID roughly - ie. gram negative bacillus or something like that - getting down to finer detail will be a good piece of hard work I presume.</p>
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<p>Then potentially there will be new vs established and optimal vs. marginally performing systems to compare. You could be busy for a while..........<br/><br/><cite>Shawn Cruze said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><p>I am designing an independent research project to determine which bacterial species are required for certain aspects of water quality in aquaponic systems. Give it six months or so and I should be close to a definitive answer assuming all my trials go well. A variety of water and media samples from systems throughout Colorado would really help.</p>
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</blockquote> I am designing an independent…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-04-30:4778851:Comment:1017062011-04-30T01:02:44.836ZShawn Cruzehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/ShawnCruze
<p>I am designing an independent research project to determine which bacterial species are required for certain aspects of water quality in aquaponic systems. Give it six months or so and I should be close to a definitive answer assuming all my trials go well. A variety of water and media samples from systems throughout Colorado would really help.</p>
<p>I am designing an independent research project to determine which bacterial species are required for certain aspects of water quality in aquaponic systems. Give it six months or so and I should be close to a definitive answer assuming all my trials go well. A variety of water and media samples from systems throughout Colorado would really help.</p> To tell you guys the truth, I…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-04-25:4778851:Comment:972912011-04-25T18:02:19.351ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>To tell you guys the truth, I usually don't bother to name the bacteria for general purposes. When explaining the Nitrogen cycle I usually say.</p>
<p>"Well the ammonia spikes and there is an aerobic bacteria that shows up and converts it into nitrite which is also toxic to fish and as that spikes another aerobic bacteria shows up that will convert it into nitrate which is far less toxic and also happens to be something the plants can use."</p>
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<p>This usually saves me since I can…</p>
<p>To tell you guys the truth, I usually don't bother to name the bacteria for general purposes. When explaining the Nitrogen cycle I usually say.</p>
<p>"Well the ammonia spikes and there is an aerobic bacteria that shows up and converts it into nitrite which is also toxic to fish and as that spikes another aerobic bacteria shows up that will convert it into nitrate which is far less toxic and also happens to be something the plants can use."</p>
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<p>This usually saves me since I can rarely pronounce let alone spell the tricky words and I'm just dyslexic enough that I hate trying.<a style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Tongue.gif"/></a></p> then just refer to aerobic ni…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2011-04-25:4778851:Comment:978012011-04-25T17:27:40.418ZKobus Joostehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/KobusJooste
then just refer to aerobic nitrifying bacteria or something like that<br></br><br></br><cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite>
<blockquote><div><p>Ack! I'm getting a headache....</p>
<p>I'm going to read through the stuff that Rupe sent then try to figure out a way to represent this that will be correct and relevant, but also not overwhelm anyone with science (not that I"m capable of doing that anyway <img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"></img> ). The book is geared at step by step instructions for the home gardener who probably only…</p>
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then just refer to aerobic nitrifying bacteria or something like that<br/><br/><cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite>
<blockquote><div><p>Ack! I'm getting a headache....</p>
<p>I'm going to read through the stuff that Rupe sent then try to figure out a way to represent this that will be correct and relevant, but also not overwhelm anyone with science (not that I"m capable of doing that anyway <img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Smile.gif"/>). The book is geared at step by step instructions for the home gardener who probably only barely need to know these finer details. </p>
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