Aquaponics, worms and E. coli - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T15:55:00Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/aquaponics-worms-and-e-coli?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A332007&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noCatching a fish that is raise…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-08:4778851:Comment:3320072012-05-08T00:44:00.576ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Catching a fish that is raised in e. coli tainted water isn't usually a big danger since we usually cook fresh water fish before eating it. The real danger with e. coli and aquaponics is that most people don't cook their lettuce before using it to make salads. And there is the rub.</p>
<p> The devil is in the details so to speak.</p>
<p>While fish don't harbor e. coli in their guts, they also won't stop it if you introduce it via other means into your aquaponics systems.</p>
<p>So, if you…</p>
<p>Catching a fish that is raised in e. coli tainted water isn't usually a big danger since we usually cook fresh water fish before eating it. The real danger with e. coli and aquaponics is that most people don't cook their lettuce before using it to make salads. And there is the rub.</p>
<p> The devil is in the details so to speak.</p>
<p>While fish don't harbor e. coli in their guts, they also won't stop it if you introduce it via other means into your aquaponics systems.</p>
<p>So, if you are going to use worms in your AP system, don't pull them out of the fresh maure pile.</p>
<p>4 months is the safe with holding period for worm castings and I expect the worms themselves to fall into that too. So if you collect worms from a fresh maure pile, wait 4 months before you use worms from that bin in you AP system.</p> Actually Jason, fish themselv…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-07:4778851:Comment:3316502012-05-07T16:11:19.809ZJon Parrhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonParr
Actually Jason, fish themselves are safe from e. coli, as they are cold blooded. You'd probably be safe eating a carp from a feed-lot mud puddle, in that respect. I think it is generally agreed among the community that worms do not cause e. coli and do in fact destroy it, at least slowly. The real fact is that any raw, uncooked food can contain pathogens, spread potentially by any warm blooded animal and it's waste. <br />
So the moral of the story is to remember to wash your hands, and be smart…
Actually Jason, fish themselves are safe from e. coli, as they are cold blooded. You'd probably be safe eating a carp from a feed-lot mud puddle, in that respect. I think it is generally agreed among the community that worms do not cause e. coli and do in fact destroy it, at least slowly. The real fact is that any raw, uncooked food can contain pathogens, spread potentially by any warm blooded animal and it's waste. <br />
So the moral of the story is to remember to wash your hands, and be smart about what we put in our mouths. So every angler that has ever…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-05-07:4778851:Comment:3313612012-05-07T03:32:05.677ZJason Eatonhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JasonEaton
<p>So every angler that has ever pulled a fish out of a natural stream, lake or other body of water are also playing a dangerous game with E Coli? I mean its impossible to rule out cross contamination from manure with widespread raising of livestock near streams, rivers, and lakes. Worms move they may have been exposed and they are in ALL natural eco-systems.</p>
<p>Something doesn't add up here.</p>
<p>So every angler that has ever pulled a fish out of a natural stream, lake or other body of water are also playing a dangerous game with E Coli? I mean its impossible to rule out cross contamination from manure with widespread raising of livestock near streams, rivers, and lakes. Worms move they may have been exposed and they are in ALL natural eco-systems.</p>
<p>Something doesn't add up here.</p> Good point, Thanks TCLynx sa…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-04-06:4778851:Comment:3165652012-04-06T15:38:55.125ZAnthony Marshhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/AnthonyMarsh
<p>Good point, Thanks<br></br> <br></br> <cite>TCLynx said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/aquaponics-worms-and-e-coli?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A228054&page=11#4778851Comment304488"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Anthony,</p>
<p> Generally it isn't a problem of the worms transfering e. coli, the problem is actually that you can't make sure every speck of material you put into the bin actually goes through a worm and then doesn't…</p>
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<p>Good point, Thanks<br/> <br/> <cite>TCLynx said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/aquaponics-worms-and-e-coli?xg_source=activity&id=4778851%3ATopic%3A228054&page=11#4778851Comment304488"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Anthony,</p>
<p> Generally it isn't a problem of the worms transfering e. coli, the problem is actually that you can't make sure every speck of material you put into the bin actually goes through a worm and then doesn't touch something that hasn't already gone through a worm so it's a matter of cross contamination. So either you need to let the castings from a worm bin age a certain amount of time before use, or make sure you don't put anything into the bin that could cause cross contamination if you are not going to follow a strict aging timeline before use.</p>
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Generally it isn…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-11:4778851:Comment:3044882012-03-11T02:44:01.503ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Anthony,</p>
<p> Generally it isn't a problem of the worms transfering e. coli, the problem is actually that you can't make sure every speck of material you put into the bin actually goes through a worm and then doesn't touch something that hasn't already gone through a worm so it's a matter of cross contamination. So either you need to let the castings from a worm bin age a certain amount of time before use, or make sure you don't put anything into the bin that could cause cross…</p>
<p>Anthony,</p>
<p> Generally it isn't a problem of the worms transfering e. coli, the problem is actually that you can't make sure every speck of material you put into the bin actually goes through a worm and then doesn't touch something that hasn't already gone through a worm so it's a matter of cross contamination. So either you need to let the castings from a worm bin age a certain amount of time before use, or make sure you don't put anything into the bin that could cause cross contamination if you are not going to follow a strict aging timeline before use.</p> hahahaha TCLynx said:
Probab…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-05:4778851:Comment:3022482012-03-05T12:08:45.598Zmatthew ferrellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/matthewferrell
<p>hahahaha<br/> <br/> <cite>TCLynx said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/aquaponics-worms-and-e-coli?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A228054&page=2#4778851Comment228915"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Probably have to move to a state that allows medical worms<a rel="nofollow" style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></a></div>
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<p>hahahaha<br/> <br/> <cite>TCLynx said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/aquaponics-worms-and-e-coli?id=4778851%3ATopic%3A228054&page=2#4778851Comment228915"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Probably have to move to a state that allows medical worms<a rel="nofollow" style="cursor: pointer;"><img src="http://www.bkserv.net/images/Grin.gif"/></a></div>
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</blockquote> not possible, if a worm can b…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-03-05:4778851:Comment:3020482012-03-05T04:00:57.008ZAnthony Marshhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/AnthonyMarsh
<p>not possible, if a worm can break down harmful compounds...to simple elements...how can it transfer E. coli???</p>
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<p>not possible, if a worm can break down harmful compounds...to simple elements...how can it transfer E. coli???</p>
<p> </p> Pasteurization for safety wou…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-01-29:4778851:Comment:2846962012-01-29T00:43:27.887ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>Pasteurization for safety would be a way around the strict waiting period before use of the castings. However if the castings are pasteurized you miss out on the benefits of the beneficial microbes in the castings since the heating will kill those too.</p>
<p>Pasteurization for safety would be a way around the strict waiting period before use of the castings. However if the castings are pasteurized you miss out on the benefits of the beneficial microbes in the castings since the heating will kill those too.</p> My friend Glen Martinez at Ol…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-01-28:4778851:Comment:2847292012-01-28T04:26:08.501ZRaychel A Watkinshttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RaychelAWatkins
<p>My friend Glen Martinez at Olamana Gardens raises his worms on chicken manure and sells the castings and uses them in the potting medium. I know that he pasturizes his at a certain temp before they can be used. He is certified organic. I will ask him if the heating of the castings is required. I do think it is.</p>
<p>My friend Glen Martinez at Olamana Gardens raises his worms on chicken manure and sells the castings and uses them in the potting medium. I know that he pasturizes his at a certain temp before they can be used. He is certified organic. I will ask him if the heating of the castings is required. I do think it is.</p> I haven't heard any updates.…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-01-27:4778851:Comment:2843472012-01-27T17:52:28.800ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
<p>I haven't heard any updates.</p>
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<p>However I believe letting the compost age for 4 months after the last addition of any manure or stuff that would support e. coli growth is a good practice for safety.</p>
<p>I haven't heard any updates.</p>
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<p>However I believe letting the compost age for 4 months after the last addition of any manure or stuff that would support e. coli growth is a good practice for safety.</p>