AP NEWBIE - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T09:30:37Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/ap-newbie?groupUrl=arizona-aquaponics&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A395808&groupId=4778851%3AGroup%3A253996&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI think it would only be wort…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-30:4778851:Comment:3971472012-09-30T17:40:06.374ZBob Campbellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BobCampbell
<p>I think it would only be worth while if the system were small. With a large system the cost of circulating 24/7 would be applied to a much larger grow bed array. But for a small system where pennies count and the harvest is small, I think there are ways to make an ebb&flow work.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Sean-Michael Gettys said:…</cite></p>
<p>I think it would only be worth while if the system were small. With a large system the cost of circulating 24/7 would be applied to a much larger grow bed array. But for a small system where pennies count and the harvest is small, I think there are ways to make an ebb&flow work.<br/> <br/> <cite>Sean-Michael Gettys said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/ap-newbie?groupUrl=arizona-aquaponics&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A396888&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment396888"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>interesting bob. A bit more complex than what I see a lot of people doing but not much. </p>
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</blockquote> interesting bob. A bit more c…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-30:4778851:Comment:3968882012-09-30T07:13:32.222ZSean-Michael Gettyshttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SeanMichaelGettys
<p>interesting bob. A bit more complex than what I see a lot of people doing but not much. </p>
<p>interesting bob. A bit more complex than what I see a lot of people doing but not much. </p> I have drawn a system that wo…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-25:4778851:Comment:3958082012-09-25T22:58:45.653ZBob Campbellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BobCampbell
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772228161?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772228161?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a> I have drawn a system that would use the ebb & flow method and return clean water to the fish tank. Water would be held in the settling/filter tank while the pump is on. Then the clean water would return to the fish tank when the pump is off.</p>
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<p>An overflow would allow excess water to flow back to the fish…</p>
<p><a target="_self" href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772228161?profile=original"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772228161?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"/></a>I have drawn a system that would use the ebb & flow method and return clean water to the fish tank. Water would be held in the settling/filter tank while the pump is on. Then the clean water would return to the fish tank when the pump is off.</p>
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<p>An overflow would allow excess water to flow back to the fish tank. </p> welcome. i'd been lurking her…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-25:4778851:Comment:3956522012-09-25T21:37:50.995ZSean-Michael Gettyshttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SeanMichaelGettys
<p>welcome. i'd been lurking here about a year or so (don't remember exactly) but finally started going out to meet ups in the Phoenix Aquaponics community and then yesterday started setting up a couple tanks at home. We'll see how it goes :) There is a lot of reading, but I found going to meet ups the most useful, that and going to classes</p>
<p>welcome. i'd been lurking here about a year or so (don't remember exactly) but finally started going out to meet ups in the Phoenix Aquaponics community and then yesterday started setting up a couple tanks at home. We'll see how it goes :) There is a lot of reading, but I found going to meet ups the most useful, that and going to classes</p> You have made a good point. …tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-23:4778851:Comment:3950482012-09-23T21:31:28.570ZBob Campbellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BobCampbell
<p>You have made a good point. Thank you for clarifying your reasons. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>RupertofOZ said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/ap-newbie?groupUrl=arizona-aquaponics&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A394886&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment394886"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Dragging solids in, and back out a pump.. ala "ebb & flow".... back into the fish tank.... is just not an optimum strategy in…</div>
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<p>You have made a good point. Thank you for clarifying your reasons. <br/> <br/> <cite>RupertofOZ said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/ap-newbie?groupUrl=arizona-aquaponics&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A394886&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment394886"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Dragging solids in, and back out a pump.. ala "ebb & flow".... back into the fish tank.... is just not an optimum strategy in aquaponics...</div>
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Ebb and Fl…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-23:4778851:Comment:3946882012-09-23T17:20:19.647ZVlad Jovanovichttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/VladJovanovic
<p><span><strong>Flood and Drain</strong>- </span></p>
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<p><span><strong>Ebb and Flow</strong> - </span></p>
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<p>...this diagram is from the glossary and terms section...sometimes a picture helps...I'm with Rupert…</p>
<p><span><strong>Flood and Drain</strong>- </span></p>
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<p><span><strong>Ebb and Flow</strong> - </span></p>
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<p>...this diagram is from the glossary and terms section...sometimes a picture helps...I'm with Rupert on this one...Not sure why someone would want to set up an AP system this way, but apparently some folks have begun to...</p> Bob... if you mean a timed "f…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-23:4778851:Comment:3948862012-09-23T16:50:14.201ZRupertofOZhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RupertofOZ
<p>Bob... if you mean a timed "flood & drain" system... then absolutely, it's the least expensive way to run a backyard aquaponics system...</p>
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<p>The distinction I was making... and it's one that's often misunderstood.... is the difference between "ebb & flow"... a hydroponics technique.. that pumps (relatively) clean water.. upward into the grow bed media... then drains back down through the same line, back through the pump....</p>
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<p>Bob... if you mean a timed "flood & drain" system... then absolutely, it's the least expensive way to run a backyard aquaponics system...</p>
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<p>The distinction I was making... and it's one that's often misunderstood.... is the difference between "ebb & flow"... a hydroponics technique.. that pumps (relatively) clean water.. upward into the grow bed media... then drains back down through the same line, back through the pump....</p>
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<p>And "flood & drain"... which pumps "dirty" (aquaponics) water... and fills the grow bed media from the top.... where upon it is then drained back to the tank... "cleaned".... but via a seperate drain line... and not through the pump...</p>
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<p>Dragging solids in, and back out a pump.. ala "ebb & flow".... back into the fish tank.... is just not an optimum strategy in aquaponics...</p>
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<p>In hydroponics, with no fish.. it doesn't matter... and ultimately the spent water/nutrient gets dumped anyway...</p>
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<p>Both "ebb & flow"... and "flood & drain"... are timer based "overflow standpipe" systems.... but "flood & drain" can also be a continuously pumped, and siphon drained system, whereas there's no such thing in an "ebb & flow" system...</p> @RupertofOZ - If the ebb &…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-21:4778851:Comment:3942452012-09-21T15:01:27.471ZBob Campbellhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BobCampbell
<p>@<a class="fn url" href="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/group/arizona-aquaponics/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=1ky6k7x51uq3n">RupertofOZ</a> - If the ebb & flo system is set up correctly it will provide adequate aeration to fish and media , and be less expensive to run. For a small back yard system that can be the difference between an expensive hobby or a cost effective garden.</p>
<p>Why are you opposed to ebb & flo?<br></br> <br></br> <cite>RupertofOZ…</cite></p>
<p>@<a href="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/group/arizona-aquaponics/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=1ky6k7x51uq3n" class="fn url">RupertofOZ</a> - If the ebb & flo system is set up correctly it will provide adequate aeration to fish and media , and be less expensive to run. For a small back yard system that can be the difference between an expensive hobby or a cost effective garden.</p>
<p>Why are you opposed to ebb & flo?<br/> <br/> <cite>RupertofOZ said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/ap-newbie?groupUrl=arizona-aquaponics&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A394100&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment394100"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">...<p>Ebb & flow... fills the grow bed from the bottom.... and when the timer stops.... drains, drags all the solids back down through the pump... through the common pump/drain line...</p>
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<p>Ebb & Flow is a hydroponic technique... and IMO.... has no place in aquaponics....</p>
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Pacifichydrostar One-Sixth…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-21:4778851:Comment:3943352012-09-21T13:55:02.738ZRobert Rowehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RobertCRoweBob
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<p>Pacifichydrostar One-Sixth HP Submerible Utility Pump 1350 GPH Max 23 FT Lift Max 1 In NPT Output</p>
<p>I use 2 of these, one for my tank and one running on sched for my media beds.</p>
<p>Pretty economical.</p>
<p>Available from Harbor Freight for approx $60,00/ea</p>
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<p>Pacifichydrostar One-Sixth HP Submerible Utility Pump 1350 GPH Max 23 FT Lift Max 1 In NPT Output</p>
<p>I use 2 of these, one for my tank and one running on sched for my media beds.</p>
<p>Pretty economical.</p>
<p>Available from Harbor Freight for approx $60,00/ea</p> Please be aware that there is…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2012-09-21:4778851:Comment:3941002012-09-21T02:22:03.652ZRupertofOZhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/RupertofOZ
<p>Please be aware that there is a difference between "ebb & flow"... and "flood & drain"...</p>
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<p>Flood & drain fills the grow bed from the top... and is drained back to the sump/tank independantly...</p>
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<p>Ebb & flow... fills the grow bed from the bottom.... and when the timer stops.... drains, drags all the solids back down through the pump... through the common pump/drain line...</p>
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<p>Ebb & Flow is a hydroponic technique... and IMO.... has no…</p>
<p>Please be aware that there is a difference between "ebb & flow"... and "flood & drain"...</p>
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<p>Flood & drain fills the grow bed from the top... and is drained back to the sump/tank independantly...</p>
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<p>Ebb & flow... fills the grow bed from the bottom.... and when the timer stops.... drains, drags all the solids back down through the pump... through the common pump/drain line...</p>
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<p>Ebb & Flow is a hydroponic technique... and IMO.... has no place in aquaponics....</p>