Alternate or recycle media - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T13:16:05Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/alternate-or-recycle-media?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A606020&feed=yes&xn_auth=nofew photos of what I have bui…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2015-06-01:4778851:Comment:6069192015-06-01T17:02:00.906ZLarry Poehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/LarryPoe529
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772269899?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772269899?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a> <a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772272933?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772272933?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a> <a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772269045?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772269045?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a> <a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772276169?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772276169?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a> few photos of what I…</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772269899?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772269899?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772272933?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772272933?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772269045?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772269045?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772276169?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2772276169?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024"/></a>few photos of what I have built so far. there is also a small (8'x10') cellar under the room on the right hand side of the photo and a large (8' wide by 14' deep) cistern with a 3'x3' access door in the concrete floor in front of the fridge.</p> Cool story and a lot of histo…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2015-05-31:4778851:Comment:6066972015-05-31T02:32:36.022ZJonathan Kadish NYC AA Chairhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonathanKadish
<p>Cool story and a lot of history there<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Larry Poe said:</cite></p>
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<p>that is close to the method used when bricks were made here on my place in the late 1800s. clay was mixed with sand or finely crushed reject brick, then dried in the…</p>
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<p>Cool story and a lot of history there<br/> <br/> <cite>Larry Poe said:</cite></p>
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<p>that is close to the method used when bricks were made here on my place in the late 1800s. clay was mixed with sand or finely crushed reject brick, then dried in the sun. once it had dried, they stacked them into temporary ovens 3 bricks thick (narrow thickness) and built a fire inside the "oven". once it was going good they would close the front and draft and let the brick "cook.</p>
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<p>once it was done there was 3 grades of brick. the inside closest to the fire (and cooked the hottest) the middle, and the outside bricks (farthest from the fire and one side totally exposed during the process).</p>
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<p>in construction the outside (3rd grade) bricks were used for the inside face of the walls. the inside (1st grade) bricks used on the outside face of the walls and most severe weather facing sides. the middle (2nd grade) bricks were used as fillers and on less weathered outside faces (like the south and east in my area for instance)</p>
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<p>my house is built that way and predates 1865 (there are no records in my county before that as the courthouse was burned by federal forces and Kansas jayhawkers during the civil war, so we don't know the exact building date)</p>
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<p>when you look at the 3 grades of brick laid out togather, the 3rd grade brick actually looks a lot like hydrotron. it is even close to the natural color of our clay (tan to light reddish), and is fairly soft, though even today doesn't fall apart in water (absorbs it though). the 1st grade brick is all most black or very dark red and will not absorb water, and is very hard. the 2nd grade brick is between the 2 in softness/hardness, but doesn't absorb water very well either.</p>
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<p>thousands and thousands of bricks were made that way here on my place (a small town built out of them actually) and the hole left from the clay mine is my pond today. still a lot of clay down there to use if I want.</p>
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that is close to t…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2015-05-29:4778851:Comment:6066532015-05-29T01:21:53.941ZLarry Poehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/LarryPoe529
<p>jonathan,</p>
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<p>that is close to the method used when bricks were made here on my place in the late 1800s. clay was mixed with sand or finely crushed reject brick, then dried in the sun. once it had dried, they stacked them into temporary ovens 3 bricks thick (narrow thickness) and built a fire inside the "oven". once it was going good they would close the front and draft and let the brick "cook.</p>
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<p>once it was done there was 3 grades of brick. the inside closest to the…</p>
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<p>that is close to the method used when bricks were made here on my place in the late 1800s. clay was mixed with sand or finely crushed reject brick, then dried in the sun. once it had dried, they stacked them into temporary ovens 3 bricks thick (narrow thickness) and built a fire inside the "oven". once it was going good they would close the front and draft and let the brick "cook.</p>
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<p>once it was done there was 3 grades of brick. the inside closest to the fire (and cooked the hottest) the middle, and the outside bricks (farthest from the fire and one side totally exposed during the process).</p>
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<p>in construction the outside (3rd grade) bricks were used for the inside face of the walls. the inside (1st grade) bricks used on the outside face of the walls and most severe weather facing sides. the middle (2nd grade) bricks were used as fillers and on less weathered outside faces (like the south and east in my area for instance)</p>
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<p>my house is built that way and predates 1865 (there are no records in my county before that as the courthouse was burned by federal forces and Kansas jayhawkers during the civil war, so we don't know the exact building date)</p>
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<p>when you look at the 3 grades of brick laid out togather, the 3rd grade brick actually looks a lot like hydrotron. it is even close to the natural color of our clay (tan to light reddish), and is fairly soft, though even today doesn't fall apart in water (absorbs it though). the 1st grade brick is all most black or very dark red and will not absorb water, and is very hard. the 2nd grade brick is between the 2 in softness/hardness, but doesn't absorb water very well either.</p>
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<p>thousands and thousands of bricks were made that way here on my place (a small town built out of them actually) and the hole left from the clay mine is my pond today. still a lot of clay down there to use if I want.</p> THE OLD SCHOOL WAY: If you ha…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2015-05-28:4778851:Comment:6063702015-05-28T15:50:51.780ZJonathan Kadish NYC AA Chairhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonathanKadish
<p>THE OLD SCHOOL WAY: If you have a lot of clay and a supply of sawdust, dry leaves, twigs, brush and wood you could 1) mix the sawdust into the clay 2) make the clay balls or cut up coils into beads and dry them in the sun 3) make a burn pit out of your bricks 4) Layer the burnable material and your clay balls and light it up. Your fire pit should reach 1500° to 1800° which will be enough to burn off the sawdust in the clay and transform the clay into media. Humans have been doing this for…</p>
<p>THE OLD SCHOOL WAY: If you have a lot of clay and a supply of sawdust, dry leaves, twigs, brush and wood you could 1) mix the sawdust into the clay 2) make the clay balls or cut up coils into beads and dry them in the sun 3) make a burn pit out of your bricks 4) Layer the burnable material and your clay balls and light it up. Your fire pit should reach 1500° to 1800° which will be enough to burn off the sawdust in the clay and transform the clay into media. Humans have been doing this for 25000 years+</p>
<p>I have made them in my wood stove, but if it gets too hot too fast the water in the clay can explode</p> thanks George. that's where…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2015-05-26:4778851:Comment:6067072015-05-26T13:34:33.807ZLarry Poehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/LarryPoe529
<p>thanks George. that's where all the ash from my wood stove goes, the garden, and I have a 1/4in hardware cloth "filter" I dump it through already.</p>
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<p>I also add a little here and there to the compost bins, and when I start tobacco seeds I mix them with ash and then sprinkle that over the starter beds. helps spread them out (they are TINY) and gives them a boost (tobacco likes a lot of nitrogen and potassium)</p>
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<p>thanks George. that's where all the ash from my wood stove goes, the garden, and I have a 1/4in hardware cloth "filter" I dump it through already.</p>
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<p>I also add a little here and there to the compost bins, and when I start tobacco seeds I mix them with ash and then sprinkle that over the starter beds. helps spread them out (they are TINY) and gives them a boost (tobacco likes a lot of nitrogen and potassium)</p>
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<p></p> You can screen the charcoal t…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2015-05-26:4778851:Comment:6066232015-05-26T03:29:49.917ZGeorgehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/Geoge
<p>You can screen the charcoal through hardware cloth to get the desired size. For example, screen first through 1/2 and then again through 1/4 to remove fines - fines could be used in a soil garden. good luck</p>
<p>You can screen the charcoal through hardware cloth to get the desired size. For example, screen first through 1/2 and then again through 1/4 to remove fines - fines could be used in a soil garden. good luck</p> so far I have just been makin…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2015-05-25:4778851:Comment:6063382015-05-25T22:58:09.610ZLarry Poehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/LarryPoe529
<p>so far I have just been making bio-charcoal and crushing old ( as in back when bricks were handmade on site and came in 3 grades depending on rather they were the inside, outside, or middle of the temporary oven stacks) bricks.</p>
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<p>there is no such thing as a pottery school or studios around here, but my pond is the " clay mine" of a brick factory that used to be here in the mid to late 1800s. my house is made from bricks that came from that same pit. in the 25yrs I have lived…</p>
<p>so far I have just been making bio-charcoal and crushing old ( as in back when bricks were handmade on site and came in 3 grades depending on rather they were the inside, outside, or middle of the temporary oven stacks) bricks.</p>
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<p>there is no such thing as a pottery school or studios around here, but my pond is the " clay mine" of a brick factory that used to be here in the mid to late 1800s. my house is made from bricks that came from that same pit. in the 25yrs I have lived here I have found and stacked up hundreds between the pond, pasture and house, and a lot of them were broken.</p> That might work, but you need…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2015-05-19:4778851:Comment:6059572015-05-19T19:37:43.136ZJonathan Kadish NYC AA Chairhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonathanKadish
<p>That might work, but you need to make sure it has not been fired past 1800 degrees, after that the clay starts to vitrify and become impermeable to water. I would think they once fire to 2350° to save money on fuel skipping the bisque stage.</p>
<p>That might work, but you need to make sure it has not been fired past 1800 degrees, after that the clay starts to vitrify and become impermeable to water. I would think they once fire to 2350° to save money on fuel skipping the bisque stage.</p> we have a local plant that ma…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2015-05-19:4778851:Comment:6060442015-05-19T13:16:19.045ZLarry Poehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/LarryPoe529
<p>we have a local plant that makes ceramic toilets, urinals, and the like. there is a MOUNTAIN of castoffs and broken units behind it. a lot of it is unglazed because it never made it that far before it was rejected, and I can haul it away by the pickup load up to semi load if I want. </p>
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<p>we have a local plant that makes ceramic toilets, urinals, and the like. there is a MOUNTAIN of castoffs and broken units behind it. a lot of it is unglazed because it never made it that far before it was rejected, and I can haul it away by the pickup load up to semi load if I want. </p>
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<p></p> You could talk to any potteri…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2015-05-19:4778851:Comment:6059432015-05-19T01:30:03.339ZJonathan Kadish NYC AA Chairhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/JonathanKadish
<p>You could talk to any potteries or schools with pottery studios in the area and ask them if they have any bisque shards they can save for you. Broken up and tumbled to break the edges this material is essentially hydroton without the air bubbles. It absorbs water and releases it slowly.</p>
<p>You could talk to any potteries or schools with pottery studios in the area and ask them if they have any bisque shards they can save for you. Broken up and tumbled to break the edges this material is essentially hydroton without the air bubbles. It absorbs water and releases it slowly.</p>