A Dead Fish - No Idea Why - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-28T19:16:31Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/a-dead-fish-no-idea-why?groupUrl=northwestaquaponics&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A443664&groupId=4778851%3AGroup%3A20675&feed=yes&xn_auth=no>> Thanks, I wouldn't h…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-03-06:4778851:Comment:4458182013-03-06T06:28:03.561ZLloyd Boothhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/LloydBooth
<p>>> Thanks, I wouldn't have thought it was so easy to get. I'll look tomorrow.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Brady A said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/a-dead-fish-no-idea-why?groupUrl=northwestaquaponics&#4778851Comment445652"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Don't worry the Ph will creep down. It takes a long time for the carbonate to be released from the shells. The rate of release will vary depending on if they were crushed or not.…</p>
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<p>>> Thanks, I wouldn't have thought it was so easy to get. I'll look tomorrow.<br/> <br/> <cite>Brady A said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/a-dead-fish-no-idea-why?groupUrl=northwestaquaponics&#4778851Comment445652"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Don't worry the Ph will creep down. It takes a long time for the carbonate to be released from the shells. The rate of release will vary depending on if they were crushed or not. I would suggest in the future to get crushed oyster from a feed store, as it is a common supplement for chickens. Very cheap as well.</p>
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</blockquote> Don't worry the Ph will creep…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-03-06:4778851:Comment:4456522013-03-06T02:08:30.586ZBrady Ahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BradyA
<p>Don't worry the Ph will creep down. It takes a long time for the carbonate to be released from the shells. The rate of release will vary depending on if they were crushed or not. I would suggest in the future to get crushed oyster from a feed store, as it is a common supplement for chickens. Very cheap as well.</p>
<p>Don't worry the Ph will creep down. It takes a long time for the carbonate to be released from the shells. The rate of release will vary depending on if they were crushed or not. I would suggest in the future to get crushed oyster from a feed store, as it is a common supplement for chickens. Very cheap as well.</p> If you want to lower your pH,…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-03-06:4778851:Comment:4457282013-03-06T01:04:34.684ZLinda Loganhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/LindaLogan
<p>If you want to lower your pH, you could fill 5 gallon bucket from sump and add HCL to lower pH to 6.0. Then add this in some amounts back to sump. I'd go slow, recheck pH next day and see results. So over time you could lower by .2 increments to where you are comfortable.</p>
<p>Nice that you have kH in water source. I don't have any and so I must add it.</p>
<p>Glad to hear about your fish.</p>
<p>If you want to lower your pH, you could fill 5 gallon bucket from sump and add HCL to lower pH to 6.0. Then add this in some amounts back to sump. I'd go slow, recheck pH next day and see results. So over time you could lower by .2 increments to where you are comfortable.</p>
<p>Nice that you have kH in water source. I don't have any and so I must add it.</p>
<p>Glad to hear about your fish.</p> >> 3 days later, no dea…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-03-05:4778851:Comment:4455552013-03-05T23:06:52.369ZLloyd Boothhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/LloydBooth
<p>>> 3 days later, no dead fish, no sick fish, all have fins and are swimming vigorously in the tank. Food is eaten and none left behind. Goldfish are noticeably bigger than on arrival. Some of the small-mid sized fish now appear bigger. gH in house is 4 drops (50-100 ppm) and in tank is 2 drops (0-50 ppm). kH is the same 4 drops in the house (50-100 ppm) and in the tank 2 drops (0-50 ppm). Tilapia and Goldfish can handle much higher gH and kH than these, but adding bicarbonate at this…</p>
<p>>> 3 days later, no dead fish, no sick fish, all have fins and are swimming vigorously in the tank. Food is eaten and none left behind. Goldfish are noticeably bigger than on arrival. Some of the small-mid sized fish now appear bigger. gH in house is 4 drops (50-100 ppm) and in tank is 2 drops (0-50 ppm). kH is the same 4 drops in the house (50-100 ppm) and in the tank 2 drops (0-50 ppm). Tilapia and Goldfish can handle much higher gH and kH than these, but adding bicarbonate at this time does not seem advisable as pH is around 7.8. Bicarbonates would just raise the pH to make it even more basic.</p>
<p>>> Oyster shells: I had a nice snack of 12 oysters and then boiled the shells to denature the proteins and make it easy to push off the anchors that the oysters left inside the shells. I then let them air dry, and put them in one leg of an old pair of pantyhose and tied the other leg onto a support and dropped them into the sump tank. Today the pH is 7.8 up from 6.4 the day before. Hmm, I hope they find some balance.</p>
<p></p> The benefit of a buffer such…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-03-04:4778851:Comment:4442282013-03-04T03:24:34.629ZBrady Ahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BradyA
<p>The benefit of a buffer such as a bicarbonate is that you can't over-do it. It is a buffer, which means it stabilizes around neutral pH. You can't "over-do" this type of addition to your tank. Oyster shells are a very slow leach of bicarbonate. Look at them as a long term response to the acid creep.</p>
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<p>The benefit of a buffer such as a bicarbonate is that you can't over-do it. It is a buffer, which means it stabilizes around neutral pH. You can't "over-do" this type of addition to your tank. Oyster shells are a very slow leach of bicarbonate. Look at them as a long term response to the acid creep.</p>
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<p></p> Thanks both of you, Brady and…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-03-03:4778851:Comment:4438712013-03-03T17:52:18.955ZLloyd Boothhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/LloydBooth
<p>Thanks both of you, Brady and Linda. Looks like I'll have an oyster snack tomorrow.</p>
<p>Linda did you break the shells or did you leave them whole? Hanging them in my sump tank was what I was thinking, that way if I get too high a pH I can reduce the number of shells, and if I don't get what I need I can add more. What did you use as a bag, old pantyhose, a lingerie wash bag?</p>
<p>I don't want to add them to the growbeds, as they are not so easy to get out, if that is the need.…<br></br></p>
<p>Thanks both of you, Brady and Linda. Looks like I'll have an oyster snack tomorrow.</p>
<p>Linda did you break the shells or did you leave them whole? Hanging them in my sump tank was what I was thinking, that way if I get too high a pH I can reduce the number of shells, and if I don't get what I need I can add more. What did you use as a bag, old pantyhose, a lingerie wash bag?</p>
<p>I don't want to add them to the growbeds, as they are not so easy to get out, if that is the need.<br/> <br/> <cite>Brady A said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/a-dead-fish-no-idea-why?groupUrl=northwestaquaponics&#4778851Comment443912"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Try adding crushed oyster shells to your bed. They give off a very slow bicarbonate release over. . decades.<br/> <br/> I don't know your system, but most of the damage (besides the lesions) would be from post mortem picking by other fish. Some fish will just get infections, this doesn't foretell a system wide failure.</div>
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</blockquote> Jon Parr told me to hang a ba…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-03-03:4778851:Comment:4439432013-03-03T17:29:31.424ZLinda Loganhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/LindaLogan
<p>Jon Parr told me to hang a bag of oyster shell to (2 cups) in my fish tank. He said it will overtime stabilize the system <br></br> <cite>Brady A said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/a-dead-fish-no-idea-why?groupUrl=northwestaquaponics&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A443664&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment443912"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Try adding crushed oyster shells to your bed. They give off a very slow…</div>
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<p>Jon Parr told me to hang a bag of oyster shell to (2 cups) in my fish tank. He said it will overtime stabilize the system <br/> <cite>Brady A said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://community.theaquaponicsource.com/forum/topics/a-dead-fish-no-idea-why?groupUrl=northwestaquaponics&commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A443664&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4778851Comment443912"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Try adding crushed oyster shells to your bed. They give off a very slow bicarbonate release over. . decades.<br/> <br/> I don't know your system, but most of the damage (besides the lesions) would be from post mortem picking by other fish. Some fish will just get infections, this doesn't foretell a system wide failure.</div>
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</blockquote> Try adding crushed oyster she…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-03-03:4778851:Comment:4439122013-03-03T08:10:48.896ZBrady Ahttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/BradyA
Try adding crushed oyster shells to your bed. They give off a very slow bicarbonate release over. . decades.<br />
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I don't know your system, but most of the damage (besides the lesions) would be from post mortem picking by other fish. Some fish will just get infections, this doesn't foretell a system wide failure.
Try adding crushed oyster shells to your bed. They give off a very slow bicarbonate release over. . decades.<br />
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I don't know your system, but most of the damage (besides the lesions) would be from post mortem picking by other fish. Some fish will just get infections, this doesn't foretell a system wide failure. No idea needed to test. I hav…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-03-03:4778851:Comment:4436642013-03-03T07:49:31.795ZLloyd Boothhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/LloydBooth
<p>No idea needed to test. I have ordered the testing kits. Any other things to test for do you think?</p>
<p>I was thinking adding a little potassium for the plants, the K in NPK (fertilizer ratios) [nitrate, phosphorus, potassium].</p>
<p>No idea needed to test. I have ordered the testing kits. Any other things to test for do you think?</p>
<p>I was thinking adding a little potassium for the plants, the K in NPK (fertilizer ratios) [nitrate, phosphorus, potassium].</p> Do you test for kH and gH? I…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2013-03-03:4778851:Comment:4436612013-03-03T06:51:32.935ZLinda Loganhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/LindaLogan
<p>Do you test for kH and gH? I don't know if it's possible to get too high a reading on carbon hardness. If I were adding potassium bicarbonate it would be to raise my carbonates.</p>
<p>Do you test for kH and gH? I don't know if it's possible to get too high a reading on carbon hardness. If I were adding potassium bicarbonate it would be to raise my carbonates.</p>