1000 liter tank and 180 liter bed - Aquaponic Gardening2024-03-29T09:53:41Zhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/forum/topics/1000-liter-tank-and-180-liter?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A17628&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noGood point about the 18" of d…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-10-19:4778851:Comment:176282010-10-19T13:08:13.000ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
Good point about the 18" of depth, TC.<br />
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In order for a system to achieve the coveted stated of balance both the fish and the plants need to be happy. We know how to do that by following certain guidelines in a media based system such as this one (1:1 to 2:1 ratio of bed to tank volume, approximately 1 fish per 5 gallons or 20 liters). My fear is that will be hard to achieve with this system set-up, Alfred, unless you "force" the tank to be smaller than it is by using less water than it is…
Good point about the 18" of depth, TC.<br />
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In order for a system to achieve the coveted stated of balance both the fish and the plants need to be happy. We know how to do that by following certain guidelines in a media based system such as this one (1:1 to 2:1 ratio of bed to tank volume, approximately 1 fish per 5 gallons or 20 liters). My fear is that will be hard to achieve with this system set-up, Alfred, unless you "force" the tank to be smaller than it is by using less water than it is capable of. But I'm happy to be wrong... I'll agree with Sylvia on the…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-10-19:4778851:Comment:176272010-10-19T12:34:14.000ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
I'll agree with Sylvia on the dangers of wanting to stock to the tank. However, not knowing exactly the shape of the tank, simply only putting in 180 liters into a 1000 liter tank and then taking 40% of that water to flood the bed might leave a very very shallow amount of water for the fish. So I would probably fill the tank to whatever volume gives about 18 inches of depth and then strongly urge the owner to only stock about 10 fish since the grow bed capacity is so low.<br />
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I'll agree with Sylvia on the dangers of wanting to stock to the tank. However, not knowing exactly the shape of the tank, simply only putting in 180 liters into a 1000 liter tank and then taking 40% of that water to flood the bed might leave a very very shallow amount of water for the fish. So I would probably fill the tank to whatever volume gives about 18 inches of depth and then strongly urge the owner to only stock about 10 fish since the grow bed capacity is so low.<br />
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I don't agree with the dilution being a problem. It will take longer on initial cycle up with the proper amount of fish to reach critical ammonia levels to really get cycling started but if dilution in more water were a problem, then raft systems would not work at all and definitely wouldn't work on low density systems which are now being proven viable.<br />
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Rather than dilution, I do worry a bit about being able to filter a larger amount of water through such a small grow bed. There is a point one will reach with a large fish tank but small amount of beds where you just can't get enough water through the beds to keep water quality good. Now I like systems to be at least 1:1 and try to get my systems up to 2:1 grow beds to fish tank but I do know of situations where people have kept fish with less grow bed than fish tank and they did manage so long as it was not too much less and they only kept an appropriate amount of fish for the amount of grow bed.<br />
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Having way less grow bed than fish tank definitely increases the chances of grow bed clogging.<br />
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The walls of the fish tank and the water in it might provide a little bit of bio-filtration but definitely not enough to really change the amount of fish one would be able to keep in such a set up. Adding more grow beds would be the best option. Hi Sylvia. Was just wondering…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-10-19:4778851:Comment:175122010-10-19T02:57:18.000ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
Hi Sylvia. Was just wondering if we consider the tank full of water as additional bio-filtration enhancing the bed capacity. The tank may even help with converting Ammonia, rather than the bed alone, and possibly help with a small amount of solids as well.What do you think? <br></br>
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Hi Sylvia. Was just wondering if we consider the tank full of water as additional bio-filtration enhancing the bed capacity. The tank may even help with converting Ammonia, rather than the bed alone, and possibly help with a small amount of solids as well.What do you think? <br/>
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<cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/1000-liter-tank-and-180-liter?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A17498&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment17498"><div>Afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you there, TC. In my opinion going with that much tank water to such a small grow bed is either asking for trouble by supplying too dilute a nutrient to the plants (i.e. if you stick to 10 fish) or, if you stock all the way up for that amount of water, be far, far too little filtration for the fish. The best thing is to add more beds!<br/> <br/>
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<cite>TCLynx said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/1000-liter-tank-and-180-liter?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A17490&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment17490"><div>Well, ya can probably have more than 180 liters of water but I would agree that you don't really want/need the fish tank to be full. Perhaps a little less than half full would be appropriate for the 180 liter grow bed.<br/> <cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/1000-liter-tank-and-180-liter?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A17474&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment17474"><div>I'm with TCLynx on this one. With 180 liter grow bed you should only be filling that fish tank up with approximately 180ish liters of water, and stock accordingly (i.e. about 10 fish) to get the right concentration of nutrients to your grow bed, and also get enough filtration for your fish.</div>
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</blockquote> Afraid I'm going to have to d…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-10-19:4778851:Comment:174982010-10-19T01:14:49.000ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
Afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you there, TC. In my opinion going with that much tank water to such a small grow bed is either asking for trouble by supplying too dilute a nutrient to the plants (i.e. if you stick to 10 fish) or, if you stock all the way up for that amount of water, be far, far too little filtration for the fish. The best thing is to add more beds!<br />
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Afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you there, TC. In my opinion going with that much tank water to such a small grow bed is either asking for trouble by supplying too dilute a nutrient to the plants (i.e. if you stick to 10 fish) or, if you stock all the way up for that amount of water, be far, far too little filtration for the fish. The best thing is to add more beds!<br />
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<cite>TCLynx said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/1000-liter-tank-and-180-liter?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A17490&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment17490"><div>Well, ya can probably have more than 180 liters of water but I would agree that you don't really want/need the fish tank to be full. Perhaps a little less than half full would be appropriate for the 180 liter grow bed.<br/> <cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/1000-liter-tank-and-180-liter?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A17474&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment17474"><div>I'm with TCLynx on this one. With 180 liter grow bed you should only be filling that fish tank up with approximately 180ish liters of water, and stock accordingly (i.e. about 10 fish) to get the right concentration of nutrients to your grow bed, and also get enough filtration for your fish.</div>
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</blockquote> Well, ya can probably have mo…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-10-18:4778851:Comment:174902010-10-18T22:33:15.000ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
Well, ya can probably have more than 180 liters of water but I would agree that you don't really want/need the fish tank to be full. Perhaps a little less than half full would be appropriate for the 180 liter grow bed.<br></br>
<cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/1000-liter-tank-and-180-liter?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A17474&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment17474"><div>I'm with TCLynx on this one. With 180 liter grow bed you…</div>
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Well, ya can probably have more than 180 liters of water but I would agree that you don't really want/need the fish tank to be full. Perhaps a little less than half full would be appropriate for the 180 liter grow bed.<br/>
<cite>Sylvia Bernstein said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/1000-liter-tank-and-180-liter?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A17474&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment17474"><div>I'm with TCLynx on this one. With 180 liter grow bed you should only be filling that fish tank up with approximately 180ish liters of water, and stock accordingly (i.e. about 10 fish) to get the right concentration of nutrients to your grow bed, and also get enough filtration for your fish.</div>
</blockquote> I'm with TCLynx on this one.…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-10-18:4778851:Comment:174742010-10-18T17:46:51.000ZSylvia Bernsteinhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/SylviaBernstein
I'm with TCLynx on this one. With 180 liter grow bed you should only be filling that fish tank up with approximately 180ish liters of water, and stock accordingly (i.e. about 10 fish) to get the right concentration of nutrients to your grow bed, and also get enough filtration for your fish.
I'm with TCLynx on this one. With 180 liter grow bed you should only be filling that fish tank up with approximately 180ish liters of water, and stock accordingly (i.e. about 10 fish) to get the right concentration of nutrients to your grow bed, and also get enough filtration for your fish. the fish tank is 1000 liters,…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-10-18:4778851:Comment:174402010-10-18T13:21:26.000ZTCLynxhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/TCLynx
the fish tank is 1000 liters, the grow bed is only 180 liters! I would not stock a to the fish tank with so litte filtration! Stock less fish, especially if you will be turning the pumping off overnight.<br></br>
<cite>Manfred Wille said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/1000-liter-tank-and-180-liter?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A17223&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment17223"><div>as I rule 10 L. per Fish 1000 L=100 fish and tweice the aria from your tank…</div>
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the fish tank is 1000 liters, the grow bed is only 180 liters! I would not stock a to the fish tank with so litte filtration! Stock less fish, especially if you will be turning the pumping off overnight.<br/>
<cite>Manfred Wille said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/1000-liter-tank-and-180-liter?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A17223&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment17223"><div>as I rule 10 L. per Fish 1000 L=100 fish and tweice the aria from your tank for the gowbed<br/>dont turn your air of over night<br/><br/>manfred</div>
</blockquote> Thank you all for the replies…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-10-18:4778851:Comment:174292010-10-18T07:23:27.000Zalfred leslie goeltingerhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/alfredlesliegoeltinger
Thank you all for the replies<br />
Alfred Tokyo
Thank you all for the replies<br />
Alfred Tokyo When my siphon breaks the gur…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-10-18:4778851:Comment:174272010-10-18T04:26:56.000ZHarold Sukhbirhttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/HaroldSukhbir
When my siphon breaks the gurgling sound is low and muffled.I have to really concentrate to notice it. I think it may have to do with the siphon design and connected pipe run from it to the tank, which has two 90 degree bends of 1/2" PVC and over 4 feet long. This a link for design, if you'd like to give it a go. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzZzjK7aFrA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzZzjK7aFrA</a><br></br>
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When my siphon breaks the gurgling sound is low and muffled.I have to really concentrate to notice it. I think it may have to do with the siphon design and connected pipe run from it to the tank, which has two 90 degree bends of 1/2" PVC and over 4 feet long. This a link for design, if you'd like to give it a go. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzZzjK7aFrA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzZzjK7aFrA</a><br/>
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<cite>alfred leslie goeltinger said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/1000-liter-tank-and-180-liter#4778851Comment15898"><div>It is the slurping gurgling thats the mainreason<br/> Thank you for the answering<br/>
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<cite>TCLynx said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://aquaponicscommunity.com/forum/topics/1000-liter-tank-and-180-liter?commentId=4778851%3AComment%3A15859&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4778851Comment15859"><div>Is it the splashing that is causing the noise issue or is it the slurping gurgling as the siphon tries to stop?<br/> <br/> Another option might be to use a timer and flood your beds for 15 minutes or so each hour and let them drain slowly with a standpipe drain. This option might require a slightly larger pump if you are currently running only a tiny pump that gets the siphon in the one bed to operate.</div>
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</blockquote> as I rule 10 L. per Fish 1000…tag:aquaponicgardening.ning.com,2010-10-17:4778851:Comment:172232010-10-17T09:25:01.000ZManfred Willehttps://aquaponicgardening.ning.com/profile/ManfredWille
as I rule 10 L. per Fish 1000 L=100 fish and tweice the aria from your tank for the gowbed<br />
dont turn your air of over night<br />
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as I rule 10 L. per Fish 1000 L=100 fish and tweice the aria from your tank for the gowbed<br />
dont turn your air of over night<br />
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manfred